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I was reading a old thread in this section and a member brought out the idea that most of the modern science claims of that are found in Islam are ambiguous and were founded by the Greeks earlier. I'm asking for where this information was brought from. I'm interesting in learning more about. Or you can tell me what parts are ambiguous and point to where earlier Greeks said the same thing. Thanks in advance.
And in heaven is your Sustenance, as (also) that which ye are promised - Surah Adh-Dhariyat
Quote:I would like to take this opportunity to write about my views of the supposed scientific miracles that the Qur'an accurately predicted.
Before I start to talk about the supposed miracles, I want to talk about some major issues I have with this idea.
1. This idea among Muslim's is a very recent phenomenon, not known before the 1970s and having gained massive popularity through the internet.
2. I have yet to see a verse in the Qur'an which clearly contains modern scientific information. All of the verses which contain supposed scientific miracles are very vague and can be taken to mean a number of things, and very often, the supposed scientific miracle is one of the least likely meanings. People often use a psychological tendency called "confirmation bias" which means to interpret information to confirm one's preconceptions and to avoid information and interpretations which contradict prior beliefs.
(June 5, 2011 at 12:29 am)Eternity Wrote: I was reading a old thread in this section and a member brought out the idea that most of the modern science claims of that are found in Islam are ambiguous and were founded by the Greeks earlier. I'm asking for where this information was brought from. I'm interesting in learning more about. Or you can tell me what parts are ambiguous and point to where earlier Greeks said the same thing. Thanks in advance.
On a more general note, here are some important questions to those who believe that the material in the Quran was plagiarized from other, human sources:
Jamal Badawi Wrote:
1. Why is it in spite of the abundance of historical material on Muhammad's life, and in spite of the extensive research on his life for centuries by his severe critics, that it was not possible to discover the mysterious teacher(s) through whom Muhammad might have learned all that?
2. It is known that Muhammad was opposed, ridiculed and persecuted for nearly 13 years by his own contemporaries. With this magnitude of severe enemies, was it not possible for them to prove to the masses that Muhammad's claim of revelation was sheer fabrication? Was it not possible for them to reveal and name the person whom they alleged to be the human source or sources of his teachings? Even some of his adversaries who had made this assertion, changed their minds later on and accused him, instead, of magic or being possessed by evil... etc.
3. Muhammad was raised among his people and every aspect of his life was exposed to them, especially by the openness that characterises tribal life in the desert. How could the multitudes of his contemporaries, including many of his close relatives who knew him so well, how could they believe in his truthfulness if they had any doubt that he was claiming credit for ideas taught to him by some other teachers without bothering to give them credit?
4. What kind of teacher might have taught Muhammad a coherent and complete religion that changed the face of history? Why didn't he or they (if any) speak against the alleged student who continued learning from them, while ignoring them and claiming some other divine source for his teachings?
5. How could many Jews and Christians amongst his contemporaries become Muslims and believe in his truthfulness if they knew he was copying from their scriptures or learning from their priests or rabbis?
6. It is known that some of the Qur'ânic revelations to Muhammad in the presence of people. The Qur'ân was revealed over the span of 23 years, where then that was mysterious, perhaps invisible teacher of Muhammad? How could he have hidden himself for so long? Or how could Muhammad who was constantly surrounded by companions, how was he able to make frequent secret visits to that mysterious teacher or teachers for 23 years without even being caught once?
Quote:Similarities between the Bridge and a cosmic string
1. They are both strings which are long and narrower than the width of a hair.
2. The bridge will have hooks on the sides. Cosmic strings also has what physicists call “cusps” and “kinks” on them which are sharp and pointed ends on a cosmic string.
3. Some people will cross the bridge as fast as lightning. Similarly, objects that get attached to a cosmic string can also travel at extremely fast speeds.
(June 5, 2011 at 12:32 pm)Minimalist Wrote: To be, a) completely fair and b) because I like shitting on xtians, Eternity.... they pull the same bullshit with their bible.
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