World Islamifacation

[DeistPaladin]

I'm not good at math but I'm pretty sure Islam is growing faster than pentecostalism.

It's all the same really. When a zealot is going to force his religion into the law, I could care less whether he calls me "infidel" or "heretic".

[Anomalocaris]

There are only 350 million Europeans all together. Pentacostalism alone claims 200 million converts in the US and third world in the last 30 years.

Is that number coming from the Pentacostals themselves or from an unbiased source? Lying for Jeebus is a well established tradition in the christian community.

250 million number is quoted by the likes of BBC. Pentacostals themselves often claim 500 million. There are other, similar "Renewalist" and "Christmatic" sects with focus on "end times". A 10 country survey by the Pew Reserach Center suggests the total number of converts from developing nations to all of these escotological focused christian sects in the last 30 years is indeed on the order of 500 million.

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According to Guinness Book of World Records, Islam is the world’s fastest-growing religion by number of conversions each year

In 1990, 935 million people were Muslims and this figure had risen to around 1.2 billion by the year 2000

I'm not good at math but I'm pretty sure Islam is growing faster than pentecostalism.

Pentacostalism is just one of the several large christian end-time sects with focus on experiencing the holy spirit via mass psycholsis that have expanded very aggresively in the developing world. Unlike Islam, these christian sects are characterized by relative permissiveness towards minor vices of daily living while extolling abandonment of common rationality in favor of a an "experiential" devotion. In other words they demand less compared to Islam in return for offering you a sexier picture of infinite reward for indulge in wishful thinking and forgoing the unwanted labor skepticism. They are cheaper whores than Islam, and therefore attract more business.

[bozo]

Glasfish, I have answered yes because I particularly dislike islam. I would answer yes to any threat of a dominant world religion.
I take issue with you re. multiculturalism however. I live in the UK and although racism has not been eradicated, it has been on the retreat since the 1950's and I say this is as a sign of the benefits of our multiculturalism.
" Respectable " Englishmen ( no doubt supported by their spouses ) not too long ago had a saying " wogs begin at Calais ".
You don't hear such offensive and crass language nowadays.

[Minimalist]

with Muslims high fraternity rates.

They have a lot of brothers?

[DeistPaladin]

with Muslims high fraternity rates.

They have a lot of brothers?

Well, it may well be that the population is skewed toward males. That is known to happen with the surviving population when you have a habit of killing your daughters.

[Violet]

It is not a problem to me should the world on a whole become Islam.

That isn't to say I'd care for how boring people would be though.

[Glassfish]

Glasfish, I have answered yes because I particularly dislike islam. I would answer yes to any threat of a dominant world religion.
I take issue with you re. multiculturalism however. I live in the UK and although racism has not been eradicated, it has been on the retreat since the 1950's and I say this is as a sign of the benefits of our multiculturalism.
" Respectable " Englishmen ( no doubt supported by their spouses ) not too long ago had a saying " wogs begin at Calais ".
You don't hear such offensive and crass language nowadays.

Multiculturalism defiantly has good qualities (my grandparents came to Australia from Italy in the 50s )
but i am talking about multiculturalism in the context of Islamifacation you should know about the huge influx of Muslims in the UK.
The bit that upsets me is that all europian governments and the US and australian governments for that matter are beding over backwards to make sure these people are not offended and to practacly encorage them to spread and replace us
remember Islam is most intolerant culture in the world and we are preparing them to remove us. go figure
In Australia we are constantly told we have no culture and that we were founded by a bunch of racist 18th century Brits this means the government is practically pushing for a society with no culture as they give us no chance to develop.

[Tiberius]

The problems outline here have less to do with "Islamification" and more to do with the failings of multiculturalism.

world Islamifacation is a serious problem and now that Muslims are spreading to Europe they are also spreading to the west. in a few decades the minority may become the majority especially with Muslims high fraternity rates.

So what? Unless you plan on converting your entire family to Islam then you know some people who aren't going to be swayed by "majority" opinion. The same applies for the rest of us.

the worst part is political correctness especially in Britain it is a joke how politicians bend over backward to make sure Muslims are not offended and how we are expected to be racially tolerant to the least tolerant group of people in the world.

That, I agree, is wrong. People don't have a right not to be offended. However, I don't think we are expected to be racially tolerant...after all, Islam is not a race of people, it is a religion. Bringing race into it just makes me suspicious of your real intentions when creating this thread.

and now the US are going to let the Muslims build the ground zero mosque which will encourage the Islamifacation of the united states as will stupid gutless politicians who bend over for the muslims

Well yes, because a mosque is a place of worship, and in a free society we don't discriminate on where people can build them, or what religion people subscribe to. You do realise this "ground zero" mosque is 2 blocks away from ground zero right? It's also a community centre built by people who want to explain their faith to non-believers rather than force it down their throats by preaching...a bit like this place in that respect.

sometimes enough is enough and a group of people cannot be as demanding as these

As far as I can tell, all they've demanded is a little respect; something most people demand at least once in a while. Whilst I agree with you that getting upset over portrayals of prophets is a bit over the top, especially in a free society, the fact that non-muslims got upset and offended over a community centre is equally ridiculous.

what do you guys think how do we solve this problem?
is the problem as big as i say?

The problem isn't as big as you say. The problem itself lies with multiculturalism. Instead of trying to make different cultures live together, cultures need to merge, or at least, understand each other.

The solution to the problem is to try and understand our Muslim brothers; to listen to them, explain our opinions, and try to integrate them with the rest of society; compromising some of our values for some of theirs. We let them worship where they want; wear what they want, and say what they want, but we demand from them the same kind of respect. Not to go over the top when free speech is implemented at the behest of their religion, not to get angry when someone insults Islam, but instead of try to understand the motives of the person who did so.

[Justtristo]

Sects destructive to human rationality and intellectual development even by christian standards, such Pentecostalism appear to be spreading much faster than Islam.

Pentecostalism and Charismatic Christianity (which is closely tied with Pentecostalism) is much more bigger than a lot of people assume. For instance the Catholic church has a significant charismatic movement in it. For example; in Australia Pentecostalism is so dominant in the Evangelical Christian community, that when people think of evangelical Christians they associate them with Hillsong (which is the biggest pentecostal church in the country).

[Napoléon]

The solution to the problem is to try and understand our Muslim brothers; to listen to them, explain our opinions, and try to integrate them with the rest of society; compromising some of our values for some of theirs. We let them worship where they want; wear what they want, and say what they want, but we demand from them the same kind of respect. Not to go over the top when free speech is implemented at the behest of their religion, not to get angry when someone insults Islam, but instead of try to understand the motives of the person who did so.

Someone's being optimistic