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Potter to the clay
August 29, 2011 at 4:32 pm
In my apologetic class we are reading te book crazy love by francis chan. It sucks ass. But tommorow we are gonna discuss it. Now chan ususes the passage in the bible which says it is absurd for clay to tell the potter how to shape it. He compares this to our relationship with god saying we have no right to question him an he is free to do as he pleases. Now lets just suppose for a minute this god does exist, doea he truly have the right to treat humans as he sees fit? In my opnion i dont think so. Just because human are capable of feeling and thinking-something clay lacks. However, i havent thought about this in depth. So what are your opnions? Would a divine creator have the authority to do whatever he wanted with his creation? Is it absurd for a creation to question their maker? Again im not saying i believe in a creator i just know this discussion will come up and wanted to see the forums opinion. Thanks.
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RE: Potter to the clay
August 29, 2011 at 4:34 pm
Does might make right? No.
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RE: Potter to the clay
August 29, 2011 at 8:19 pm
Is that what the argument is saying? god's might makes right. IVe heard my friend compare it to parental authority. you dont let your kids decide to do whatever they want why would god?
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RE: Potter to the clay
August 29, 2011 at 8:20 pm
(This post was last modified: August 29, 2011 at 8:22 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
In other words whoever holds the power over another is inherently right. Yes, that's the argument of the clay analogy. Might makes right by invoking an inanimate objects, what a wonderful thing to compare human beings too. Helpful little werewolves aren't they?
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RE: Potter to the clay
August 29, 2011 at 8:23 pm
Nicely put. Made me laugh. This argument always comes up when I bring up the injustice of hell and I never know how to phrase it without sounding like i want anarchy. thanks
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RE: Potter to the clay
August 29, 2011 at 8:25 pm
See, the way we civilized mouth breathers tend to think about this nowadays; is that if enough decent folk just lock arms, they can withstand even the most powerful despot.
That's for a counterpoint.
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RE: Potter to the clay
August 29, 2011 at 8:27 pm
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I feel so stupid. I had to read that like 8 times to understand it.
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RE: Potter to the clay
August 29, 2011 at 8:28 pm
Don't be hard on yourself bud, that's trace amounts of cracker comin out as I get a few too many beers into this war between Sae and I.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Potter to the clay
August 29, 2011 at 8:29 pm
(August 29, 2011 at 4:34 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Does might make right? No.
Absolutely yes. And if you disagree, i will shoot you 
Today's top poster: Rhythm (248 posts)... way to go man. I accept the armistice with you the victor
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Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
But the skies are not stormy all day
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RE: Potter to the clay
August 29, 2011 at 8:30 pm
Damn she found me. I was gonna sneak a few in to 250. Aight, aight, truce..lol.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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