Fairy tales won over science: a man must die today

[frankiej]

post#3 didn't explain how religion or whatever has anything to do with it though

[Rokcet Scientist]

post#3 didn't explain how religion or whatever has anything to do with it though

I guess you'll have to read it again then. In this man's case you see the power and danger of fairy tales at work. It kills ! That is one and the same mechanism that make religions work. It's a fundamental perversion in either case.

[Faith No More]

I still fail to see how this has anything to do with fairy tales beyond your assertion that it does.

[Rayaan]

I note you simply ignore my post #3.
And failed to notify me of your decision and action.
Typical.

Although this was not directed to me, I think the decision was reasonable and the mod already told you why it was moved.

Likewise, I didn't find anything in the article saying that the shooting of the police was influenced by religion or by fairy tales. I think you are only making this connection in your own head. Also, I don't know what was the reason for posting a long screenshot of all the replies in the previous page. We can already see them the way they are.

Besides, it doesn't make sense: this section "Off Topic" is subtitled "Open up to some light hearted discussion".

That is only a small description of the "Off topic" section.

Members can make threads in the this section about all kinds of things which they think do not fit well in the other sections. Therefore, it is not exclusively for light-hearted discussions.

[Dotard]

I saw nothing of "fairy tales" in this article. There have been many appeals and re-examinations of the evidence against him. He was found guilty.

The man took a life. He shot somebody in the face and somehow you believe he does not deserve to die?

Except that the evidence offered for conviction has:
a) been recanted by several witnesses or found to have been inconsistent
b) been tainted by alleged witness coercion by the police.

But hey, he "shot" and "killed" a cop. No room for cross examination here, your honor. Just fry 'im. After all, we can't have cop killers ever get loose (never mind all the "regular" killers that are released).

I despise special protections for certain groups, especially when there is a long standing history of corruption and hiring from the shallow end of the gene pool.

Allege witness coercion and the killer is redeemed?
A witness or two are inconsistant or recant so to hell with the rest of any witnesses testimony?

I agree about special protections for the certain group of people known as murderers. Yes, fry them. The man face-shooted someone he should be 'put down' like the uncontrolled animal that he is.

[frankiej]

Things really aren't that black and white

[Faith No More]

Allege witness coercion and the killer is redeemed?
A witness or two are inconsistant or recant so to hell with the rest of any witnesses testimony?

Redeemed? No. It is, however, frightening that people still want this man executed despite shoddy evidence. Lock him up forever where he will eventually be proven innocent or guilty, but to execute a man on such flawed evidence is Orwellian.

[Autumnlicious]

Allege witness coercion and the killer is redeemed?
A witness or two are inconsistant or recant so to hell with the rest of any witnesses testimony?

Since when does the definition of 'redemption' include not making an irreversible state sanctioned execution? By fuck, anyone who gets even a temporary stay of execution is redeemed, by your context.

Also, this irreversible action of execution prevents, by definition, re-evaluating the case with any meaningful consequences -- there is nothing well served in "Oh, we made a mistake. Our bad. Hope the dead guy's relatives feel vindicated."

Furthermore, witness testimony is considered suspect due to the fallibility and inconsistency of said witnesses. One would certainly find it difficult to make a rational decision if one's information sources are contradictory, influenced or have an axe to grind.

That's why we have forensic analysis -- to keep from the usual 'witch hunt' that people have a history of indulging in.


Also, I fail to see how a lack of hard evidence and the existence of questionable witness testimony passes the "shadow of a doubt" test for dispensing justice.

I agree about special protections for the certain group of people known as murderers. Yes, fry them. The man face-shooted someone he should be 'put down' like the uncontrolled animal that he is.

It is my fond wish that those who often wish death for others without clearly establishing guilt in a rigorous and objective manner should have a chance at the former without the grace of the latter.

Thankfully, that is only a wish, unlike the callous actions and ideology embraced by certain kind folks.

[frankiej]

I don't want to see anyone executed, no matter what they have done.

If they have committed major crimes, then they should have to live with the guilt for decades.

[Minimalist]

I don't understand how this has anything to do with religion. It has to do with a shoddy conviction and sentence, but religion?

They are executing a black man in the south, Shel. How much more of a religion do you want?