Whining "Ad Hominem"

[Cinjin]

I did think what Cinjin was saying had no content at all and at best stated the opposite without reason given. That coupled with derisory tone and or remarks designed to inflame his opponent, where none was evidenced from Lucent.

So while I agree that ad hom may have been an innacurate accusation, dishonest or weak argumentation were certainly in play. "mocking, condescending, belittling attitude" - absolutely.

I think Cinjin is frustrated at this point in the debate because of his very weak reasoning in labelling himself a Deist. Not that I think reasoning should count for anything in this instance, because Cinjins belief is completely without reason, as he says. Is he a nominal Deist? I know nothing of Deism so couldn't say. Lots of people have spooky feeling that there's somting more, and soley based on that refuse to discount the supernatural. I would hope all of those people would declare themselves atheist, but I'm sure a hell of a lot consider themseves theists too.

Frodo, you never think I have any content. Nothing new there. You're a christian, you're most certainly going to side with those who represent your basic belief structure.

Some of Lucent's points had some small merit ... most did not. He touts his opinion as evidence and then refuses to accept your answers. Eventually, I have nothing to offer because he has nothing for me to respond to.

I don't pretend to be in the top debater class on these forums. Guys like DP, VOID and Min are clearly better than I am, but I can certainly hang with someone who's core points are mostly bullshit arguments and baseless whining.

[ElDinero]

Good thread. I get this accusation thrown at me a lot, sometimes using the phrase 'ad hominem' or its more common variant 'You're just hurling insults'. I don't think I've ever JUST hurled an insult here, I usually combine it with aggressive questioning and crushing logic. And besides, pointing out that my opponent is an idiot/prick/arsehole/stupid fuckface twathole bastard is a key part of my argument. It would be silly to leave it out.

[fr0d0]

And besides, pointing out that my opponent is an idiot/prick/arsehole/stupid fuckface twathole bastard is a key part of my argument. It would be silly to leave it out.

Hehe

Those are the things that close a discussion down tho'... you losing your rag. If you made a good point, and let it rest on the reasoning... then you'd win. Adding ad homs[and variant either side of that] adds fallacy and your good point might be lost.

Frodo, you never think I have any content. Nothing new there. You're a christian, you're most certainly going to side with those who represent your basic belief structure.

That's not true. I might say that but it's not exactly truthful is it.

I share a faith with Christians, sure, and my thinking now is in line with theirs.

Some of Lucent's points had some small merit ... most did not. He touts his opinion as evidence and then refuses to accept your answers. Eventually, I have nothing to offer because he has nothing for me to respond to.

I thought Lucent chased you about your faith too much, but maybe he genuinely really didn't get what you were saying was all of it. You went over it one more time than was required for me too in that thread. You did lose your rag about that, maybe understandably. Hopefully you two can ressurect something. *hands out shovels*

I don't pretend to be in the top debater class on these forums. Guys like DP, VOID and Min are clearly better than I am, but I can certainly hang with someone who's core points are mostly bullshit arguments and baseless whining.

Personally I think Lucent is pretty good at backing up what he says rationally and calmly. I don't agree with him 100%, but I can at least respect him for those qualities.
I think you're an honest and open person Cinjin. There's no better qualification than that for debate.

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Forgot to say... I'll re read the debate thread to see if I can't see your side better

[ElDinero]

If they lose my excellent point because they're having a cry about me calling them a dick, that's their problem. Fuck 'em.

[fr0d0]

One good point : 1
One good fallacy : -1
Score to El : 0

Jerk!

[5thHorseman]

Frodo: I share a faith with Christians, sure, and my thinking now is in line with theirs.

So in other words you stopped thinking.

[fr0d0]

(psst - I think this raising the tone malarky is working )