Sins

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I have to ask the question. What defines a sin? Most religions consider any type of sexual pleasure to be a sin. Why? Let's look at a list of sins. All religions have different definitions of sin, but I will be using the bible, the Word of God.

1)
a : an offense against religious or moral law
b : an action that is or is felt to be highly reprehensible <it's a sin to waste food>
c : an often serious shortcoming : fault

2)
a : transgression of the law of God
b : a vitiated state of human nature in which the self is estranged from God

http://http://www.merriam-we...sin

So sins are defined by the law of god? Let's take a look at the bible.

List of Sins From the Bible

Let's just examine some of these sins from the bible.

"But I say, if you are even angry with someone, you are subject to judgment! If you call someone an idiot, you are in danger of being brought before the court. And if you curse someone, you are in danger of the fires of hell."
Matthew 5:22

So let's say my younger brother wants to play my Xbox while I'm not home, takes the Xbox out of my room and accidentally drops it on the ground breaking it. If I get angry with him and call him an idiot, I am in danger of going to hell? THAT'S FUCKED UP.

"Someone reported to Saul, "Look, the men are sinning against the LORD by eating meat that still has blood in it." "That is very wrong," Saul said."
1 Samuel 14:33

I'll remember when ordering a prime cut of ribeye to tell my waiter I want it well done with no blood. Don't want to sin.. THAT'S FUCKED UP.

"A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment, for all who do so are an abomination to the LORD your God."
Deuteronomy 22:5

So God tells us what clothes to wear, if not we are considered an abomination to him. THAT'S FUCKED UP.

"This is what the LORD says: "Cursed are those who put their trust in mere humans, who rely on human strength and turn their hearts away from the LORD."
Jeremiah 17:5

So I can't trust the doctor who diagnosed me with lung cancer. Instead of taking treatments, I will pray to god for help instead so I won't be cursed. THAT'S FUCKED UP.

"If anyone injures his neighbor, whatever he has done must be done to him."
Leviticus 24:19

Woah woah woah now...

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"If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death.
If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the girl’s virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death."
Deuteronomy 22:20-1

"If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property."
Exodus 21:20-21

FUCKING CONTRADICTIONS!

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So if I beat my slave, and he lives, I shall not be punished, but then the bible also says that if I injure my slave, the same shall be done to me and I will be punished. THAT'S FUCKED UP.

"So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach."
Matthew 23:3

LOL. THAT'S FUCKED UP.

"Set your mind on the things above, not on the things that are on earth."
Colossians 3:2

Okay, instead of setting my mind on real problems in life, and real problems with the world, I'll just set my mind on my invisible sky daddy and how I can please him. THAT'S FUCKED UP.

"Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the LORD."
Leviticus 19:28

Tattoos automatically equal evil. Looks like I can't get my "I LOVE MOM" tattoo anymore, cuz I'll go to hell. THAT'S FUCKED UP.

The list goes on and on.
Don't worry, God loves all of his people!
Except.. drunkards, liars, thieves, sports fans, blasphemers, money-lovers, pagans, homosexuals, prostitutes, witches, atheists, gamblers, porn-lovers, whoremongers, child molesters, evolutionists, pot smokers, lesbians, fornicators, masterbators, psychics, and most importantly.. hypocrites

[Cyberman]

Sin is human nature, criminalised.

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Sin is human nature, criminalised.

I think sin is more subjective than objective.

Just think, if a child grows up with a pack of wolves, eats like them, behaves like them and believes he is a wolf, does he have human morals and does he know what sin is? When he eats the meat of prey with blood in it, does he know he has sinned in the eyes of God?

I know it's theoretical, but I don't think it's human nature. I think it's society's nature to sin.

[Cinjin]

meh

Sin makes life worth living.

[Cyberman]

(As I type this it is way past my bedtime, so I apologise in advance if it makes no sense. That's my excuse, anyway.)

A child raised in the manner you describe would have no knowledge of sin, nor would he have a use for it, and although his behaviour would be in accord with his adoptive society, he would still be a human with all that entails. There have been examples of feral children raised by animals; as far as I'm aware, in each case the child has very quickly reverted to 'normal' human behaviour soon after being re-adopted into human society.

'Sins' can be divided into at least three categories: those that are harmful to society, killing and theft being the obvious examples; those that are essentially victimless crimes, such as blasphemy; and the rest, such as pride, lust, envy etc that are not fundamentally harmful in themselves and in some cases may even be beneficial to society (where would our economic systems be without envy, for example?). The various 'holy' books would have us believe that all these sinful behaviours are more or less equal in the eyes of their supreme overlord; so under this system, if I knew I was condemned to eternal hellfire for, say, blasphemy, I might feel justified in running out and killing a bunch of people on the basis of it being "better to be hanged for a sheep as a lamb". I'm doomed anyway, so why not?

As a method of controlling a population, you really have to hand it to the church on this one. What better way to prevent a few million tired and hungry peasants from rising up en masse in revolution, slaughtering anyone wearing fine silks, hoarding gold and eating better food than those peasants could ever dream of? Let's just tell them that they'll get their rewards for a lifetime of shit and servitude after they die - and conveniently can't report back - unless they cause trouble during their lifetimes by questioning the authority of the church, lusting after its riches and fine food, spending their time enjoying the sinful pleasures of sex when they could be tilling the land and working themselves to death...

[Rayaan]

I think of sins as something that has a quantity.

And sins are like viruses or bugs in a biological computer which can 'corrupt' the soul if they accumulate too much.
(But we can also delete them by asking for forgiveness).

In this post, I briefly explained how the whole universe may be a quantum computer. So, I think that there is also computational nature behind sins. They are information about our lives which can be stored, retrieved, or deleted from our souls. However, this is just my own philosophical view of "sin" and thus I'm aware that could be wrong. I don't even think that there is any way to test it.

Black hole computers:
http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~robins/Black...puters.pdf

[Phaedra]

I haven't been a Catholic for about 5 or 6 years, and I STILL think of my actions in terms of sinful or non-sinful. Catholic guilt is hard to get rid of.

[Ace Otana]

Sin is what we commit when doing what is perfectly natural. Like existing. Just being human apparently is sinful. It's like having your parents telling you off for being born, as if you had a choice and a say in the matter. Crazy christian beliefs.

[fr0d0]

Most religions consider any type of sexual pleasure to be a sin.

No they don't. This is a common and wildly innacurate generalisation. Religion celebrates sex. There are however sexual acts which defile sex. Those are what "religion" is against.

So sins are defined by the law of god?

No, "sins" or actions which would limit our lives are universally accepted to be so.

"But I say, if you are even angry with someone, you are subject to judgment! If you call someone an idiot, you are in danger of being brought before the court. And if you curse someone, you are in danger of the fires of hell."
Matthew 5:22

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So let's say my younger brother wants to play my Xbox while I'm not home, takes the Xbox out of my room and accidentally drops it on the ground breaking it. If I get angry with him and call him an idiot, I am in danger of going to hell? THAT'S FUCKED UP.

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If you're angry at someone, you should expect anger back.

If you call someone else, don't be surprised to be questioned on the same crime yourself.

If you curse someone, expect to recieve the same back.

You reap what you sow. Universal truth.

"Someone reported to Saul, "Look, the men are sinning against the LORD by eating meat that still has blood in it." "That is very wrong," Saul said."
1 Samuel 14:33

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I'll remember when ordering a prime cut of ribeye to tell my waiter I want it well done with no blood. Don't want to sin.. THAT'S FUCKED UP.

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The law of the land was that you didn't eat meat with blood on it. It was one of the many public health rulings from the OT. "Sinning" in that context is putting your health at risk. As God wants you to be happy and healthy, going against his will is 'sinning'.

"A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment, for all who do so are an abomination to the LORD your God."
Deuteronomy 22:5

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So God tells us what clothes to wear, if not we are considered an abomination to him. THAT'S FUCKED UP.

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In those times, these were societies rules. To us abhorent, to them... normal. You are talking about historic Jewish tradition which doesn't apply to Christians, but you may want to take it in context of ancient Judaic belief, sure.

"This is what the LORD says: "Cursed are those who put their trust in mere humans, who rely on human strength and turn their hearts away from the LORD."
Jeremiah 17:5

So I can't trust the doctor who diagnosed me with lung cancer. Instead of taking treatments, I will pray to god for help instead so I won't be cursed. THAT'S FUCKED UP.

My overall health, which is the same to me as saying my measure of connection to God, is dependant on more things than medicine encompasses. Of course for a medical complaint you need to go to a doctor. That isn't what is being said here (as is clearly explained in other areas of the bible).

"If anyone injures his neighbor, whatever he has done must be done to him."
Leviticus 24:19

Woah woah woah now...

An eye for an eye stuff. Again... this is societal law. It only applies as docomented evidence of how society ran back then. It is in no way prescriptive.

So if I beat my slave, and he lives, I shall not be punished, but then the bible also says that if I injure my slave, the same shall be done to me and I will be punished. THAT'S FUCKED UP.

Historical information we find distasteful. No doubt our descendants will raise similar accusations against us. Because what we do now, may well conflict with what they see as normal.

The list goes on and on.
Don't worry, God loves all of his people!
Except.. drunkards, liars, thieves, sports fans, blasphemers, money-lovers, pagans, homosexuals, prostitutes, witches, atheists, gamblers, porn-lovers, whoremongers, child molesters, evolutionists, pot smokers, lesbians, fornicators, masterbators,

The bible tells us that God loves these people especially, over the 'riteous', and does give many exaples of grace towards them. Christianity is the religion of the underdog.

psychics, and most importantly.. hypocrites

Except for these people in certain circumstances, and almost exclusively the religious, regarding hypocrites.

[Cinjin]

I can't see anything wrong with sin, do you?


Syn = very good
Cin = even better
Sin = enjoying life


Nope, all the "sins" look good to me.