The Jesus Tomb

[StewartP]

Very intresting. You have given me some food for thought.

Why thank-you, how very civil. The pleasure is all mine.

[chatpilot]

Stewart the mention of Jesus in Josephus has been called a later interpolation by most scholars.precisely because it interrupts the narrative of the story he was telling.

[Edwardo Piet]

I am 'convinced' that Jesus PROBABLY existed....but he would be a COMPLETELY different Jesus to the one in the NT...and Jesus was probably not even his name! So would that even COUNT as Jesus? I guess is what you could ask. Well I guess Jesus was just a supernatural mythical character that was based on another man - the 'real' 'Jesus' - and this man that 'Jesus' was based on probably wasn't even called Jesus and certainly didn't have any supernatural powers.

And Jesus was almost certainly not the son of God! Just as there are almost certainly no celestial teapots.

Because:

1. There is almost certainly no Son of God.

2. Jesus was in fact supposed to be an incarnation of God himself. The holy trinity is in fact supposedly ONE God in three different forms...not three different Gods. So it's not really a trinity.

3. There is almost certainly no God for Jesus to be incarnated as!

[dagda]

Point two was added in well after the writers of the Bible were dead to make Christianity more accesible to pagan Romans.

[Edwardo Piet]

Point two was added in well after the writers of the Bible were dead to make Christianity more accesible to pagan Romans.

Oh really? If so that's an interesting piece of information

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[chatpilot]

Regarding point two during my days as an evangelist I accepted the doctrine of the trinity but had a different take on it.I too believed at once that it was one god in three different manifestations but there are certain text in scripture that contradict this and support a trinity and three gods.My interpretation of this is that there are according to the scriptures three gods but were one in will and purpose.This was evident in Jesus baptism and many other scriptures.

Matthew 3:16,17
16And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

17And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased
As you can see all three manifestations are present at once.Jesus also said that he would go to his father and sit upon his right hand thereby separating himself from the father and he would leave the holy spirit on Earth as a comforter teacher etc.

[Edwardo Piet]

Well there are texts that support both the trinity and the idea that it's just one God in three forms...

However Islam and Judaism are monotheistic religions and Christianity is more similar to them than with polytheistic religions. Christians may say they have three Gods...but whether it's one God or three...Christianity behaves much more like it's just got the 1 God than three gods...

[chatpilot]

You are correct Evidence mainstream Christians believe that there is just one God and consider their beliefs to be monotheistic.I personally did not believe as they did because there are so many scriptures where the deities ars spoken of separately.Even Jesus stated once that he did not know the day nor the hour when the end will come that that was only known by the father.