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RE: pop morality
March 31, 2016 at 6:42 pm
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(March 31, 2016 at 6:24 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Actually, my issue with the Christian god is that he's pathetically small and petty. Seriously, you're literally claiming that Yahweh, the alleged creator of hundreds of billions of galaxies with hundreds of billions of stars (around which presumably are numerous habitable planets) is so in agreement with the prejudices of one tribe of Bronze/Iron Age goatherders that he's deeply concerned with how the humans have sex with each other, and other similar nonsense... and wants to make sure some humans bother others about it.
Again, you could see this as clearly as you see it for Zeus and Shiva and Thor, if only you weren't conditioned otherwise.
Oh, yes...I could see the light as you have if only I weren't "conditioned".
Which doesn't exactly account for the conversions of scientists and philosophers who were raised as atheists and then became Christians as a result of their research into the facts and philosophical arguments. But you can't see THAT because of YOUR conditioning. 
But more importantly, no, Rocket, I'm claiming that the God of the Universe...who is every bit as big as your astronomical verbiage suggests and more, btw...really is concerned with us because HE MADE US AND LOVES US.
You have this completely backwards. It's not that God is "pathetically small and petty" because He is concerned for us. Instead, we who are pathetically small and petty are raised up from our lowly state by Him who is above all things. Amen! 
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RE: pop morality
March 31, 2016 at 10:02 pm
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Yeah, I can just imagine God sitting there going "Wow, I can't believe all these people are going against the rules these Bronze Age people handed down to them! They're working on Sunday! They're having sex without getting married! I love them, but I'm going to judge them guilty and send them to hell for this. This is consistent and logical and not at all a mirror of the values of Bronze Age Superstitious zealots who made this shit up."
I mean I'm willing to accept the possibility there's a God. But it's not your fucking god that's for sure. Jesus wasn't God, and neither is Yahweh. They're nothing more than shitty fictional characters written by people who were nothing more than ignorant savages.
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RE: pop morality
March 31, 2016 at 10:28 pm
(March 31, 2016 at 6:42 pm)athrock Wrote: (March 31, 2016 at 6:24 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Actually, my issue with the Christian god is that he's pathetically small and petty. Seriously, you're literally claiming that Yahweh, the alleged creator of hundreds of billions of galaxies with hundreds of billions of stars (around which presumably are numerous habitable planets) is so in agreement with the prejudices of one tribe of Bronze/Iron Age goatherders that he's deeply concerned with how the humans have sex with each other, and other similar nonsense... and wants to make sure some humans bother others about it.
Again, you could see this as clearly as you see it for Zeus and Shiva and Thor, if only you weren't conditioned otherwise.
Oh, yes...I could see the light as you have if only I weren't "conditioned".
Which doesn't exactly account for the conversions of scientists and philosophers who were raised as atheists and then became Christians as a result of their research into the facts and philosophical arguments. But you can't see THAT because of YOUR conditioning.
But more importantly, no, Rocket, I'm claiming that the God of the Universe...who is every bit as big as your astronomical verbiage suggests and more, btw...really is concerned with us because HE MADE US AND LOVES US.
You have this completely backwards. It's not that God is "pathetically small and petty" because He is concerned for us. Instead, we who are pathetically small and petty are raised up from our lowly state by Him who is above all things. Amen!
Ew.
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RE: pop morality
March 31, 2016 at 11:42 pm
(March 31, 2016 at 6:42 pm)athrock Wrote: You have this completely backwards. It's not that God is "pathetically small and petty" because He is concerned for us. Instead, we who are pathetically small and petty are raised up from our lowly state by Him who is above all things. Amen!
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RE: pop morality
April 1, 2016 at 12:25 am
My conditioning?
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Do you think we go to atheist camp, or something?
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: pop morality
April 1, 2016 at 1:12 am
Important questions for theists:
What are the goals of morality?
How do you know if you are achieving those goals?
Why should I care about your proposed goals?
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RE: pop morality
April 1, 2016 at 1:17 pm
-and what will happen if I don't. 
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RE: pop morality
April 1, 2016 at 1:26 pm
(April 1, 2016 at 12:25 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: My conditioning?
Do you think we go to atheist camp, or something?
Imagining some of the denizens here (me included) as camp counselors is pretty scary . .
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RE: pop morality
April 1, 2016 at 2:13 pm
(March 29, 2016 at 7:08 pm)Kitan Wrote: Am I the only one who associates the term pop morality with the older generation hating the modern music of younger generations?
If one's morality deems one remain in the dark ages, no thank you.
Therefore, fuck that dark age morality that included too many atrocities worth remembering.
That's the big picture of this thread kitan.. In that pop morality will come full circle meaning without absolutes and guidlines that do not change you are doomed to repeat the 'morality' of dark ages again.
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RE: pop morality
April 1, 2016 at 2:16 pm
(March 31, 2016 at 10:02 pm)Cecelia Wrote: Yeah, I can just imagine God sitting there going "Wow, I can't believe all these people are going against the rules these Bronze Age people handed down to them! They're working on Sunday! They're having sex without getting married! I love them, but I'm going to judge them guilty and send them to hell for this. This is consistent and logical and not at all a mirror of the values of Bronze Age Superstitious zealots who made this shit up."
I mean I'm willing to accept the possibility there's a God. But it's not your fucking god that's for sure. Jesus wasn't God, and neither is Yahweh. They're nothing more than shitty fictional characters written by people who were nothing more than ignorant savages.
Says the person who does not even grasp the basics of Christianity.
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