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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
June 4, 2014 at 2:15 am
(June 4, 2014 at 1:50 am)snowtracks Wrote: get on the right side of the deal:
The bottom line is that the universe is at least ten billion orders of magnitude (a factor of 1010,000,000,000times) too small or too young for life to have assembled itself by natural processes.(i) These kinds of calculations have been done by researchers, both non-theists and theists, in a variety of disciplines.(42-58)
http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles...nt-design/
That sounds like pure BS. For one thing no one knows how large the universe is or what it is. Second, the age of the universe is just speculation. If you use your own mind and think about it you will see why it's BS.
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
June 4, 2014 at 2:44 am
the 5'th day of Genesis which is called the Cambrian explosion had an explosion of body plans that doesn't fit into macroevolution models. http://www.evolutionnews.org/2009/06/bio...21931.html
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
June 4, 2014 at 3:03 am
(June 4, 2014 at 2:44 am)snowtracks Wrote: the 5'th day of Genesis which is called the Cambrian explosion had an explosion of body plans that doesn't fit into macroevolution models. http://www.evolutionnews.org/2009/06/bio...21931.html
By now I think we can actually play Snowtracks bingo with the number of dishonest tropes he employes every time he posts.
Let's see: out of date source... well, five years old isn't exactly great. Discredited author, since it's Casey Luskin. Single source that doesn't hold a view shared by the scientific community heralded as the thing that resolves an issue in favor of god. Dramatic, willful misinterpretation of a scientific report in order to shoehorn in god. Bald assertions about biblical things...
Hey, bingo! 
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
June 4, 2014 at 3:22 am
(June 4, 2014 at 2:44 am)snowtracks Wrote: the 5'th day of Genesis which is called the Cambrian explosion The "fifth day" of Genesis describes the creation of every type of sea-dwelling creature and all of the birds. Neither of which happen to appear in Cambrian fossil layers.
And this is an old creationist canard, to quote-mine a scientist who expresses doubt about something they knew or thought they knew and implying that it wipes out the entire evolutionary framework. All it does is remind us that science can recognize where it is wrong and correct itself, whereas religion doesn't have the freedom to do that because being wrong actually does destroy its entire framework. So you wind up with people trying slimy maneuvers like Luskin, or making laughably crazy statements like snowtracks continues to do.
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
June 4, 2014 at 5:35 am
This would be the Casey Luskin who can't even pronounce the word “carboniferous“, right?
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
June 4, 2014 at 7:50 am
(June 4, 2014 at 2:15 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: (June 4, 2014 at 1:50 am)snowtracks Wrote: get on the right side of the deal:
The bottom line is that the universe is at least ten billion orders of magnitude (a factor of 1010,000,000,000times) too small or too young for life to have assembled itself by natural processes.(i) These kinds of calculations have been done by researchers, both non-theists and theists, in a variety of disciplines.(42-58)
http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles...nt-design/
That sounds like pure BS. For one thing no one knows how large the universe is or what it is. Second, the age of the universe is just speculation. If you use your own mind and think about it you will see why it's BS.
at that site Simple to remember (Judaism online) it just lists what the natural state of earth and our universe would be if it were younger or older than it is now or if earth was closer or farther away etc.. It seems that they are attributing simple physics and logical conclusions (like our earth wouldn't be habitable if it wasn't right where it is) and think that's proof for intelligent design.
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you do understand that rocks that fall into a stars gravitational pull start going in circles around the star and their orbits inevitably drive them into the star, right? Obviously there's a habitable zone where all the elements are able to exist and thrive and *gasp, evolve with the right conditions. Do you believe earth is the only inhabited planet in the galaxy and beyond?
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
June 4, 2014 at 9:00 pm
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Actually the orbits are ellipses rather than true circles, but often they're as close to being circles as makes little damn.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
June 4, 2014 at 10:06 pm
I see snowy is going for the "I'll just keep saying stupid shit until everyone gives up and then claim victory" routine.
Stay classy.
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
June 5, 2014 at 2:39 am
(June 4, 2014 at 3:22 am)Tonus Wrote: (June 4, 2014 at 2:44 am)snowtracks Wrote: the 5'th day of Genesis which is called the Cambrian explosion The "fifth day" of Genesis describes the creation of every type of sea-dwelling creature and all of the birds. Neither of which happen to appear in Cambrian fossil layers.
day five introduces animals (sea, land, air) that are self aware creatures and as such manifest attributes of mind, will, emotions. day six mentions 3 specialized land animals for particular reasons.
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
June 5, 2014 at 2:43 am
(June 5, 2014 at 2:39 am)snowtracks Wrote: day five introduces animals (sea, land, air) that are self aware creatures and as such manifest attributes of mind, will, emotions. day six mentions 3 specialized land animals for particular reasons.
Day five did nothing more than introduce stupidity to humanity whereby it concocted over-imaginative concepts in the absence of proper evidence.
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