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RE: If you were or are a Murican, how would you vote in the 2016 election?
April 28, 2015 at 8:44 am
(April 28, 2015 at 2:41 am)Jericho Wrote: I am an Independent, and will therefore vote on who I think will best represent our country. So far the only person I undoubtedly don't want to win is Hilary Clinton. That is just my opinion though.
That's okay. I don't want her to win, either, but I have this horrible feeling that I am going to end up voting for her. The chances of the Republican party nominating someone better are near zero. And, very likely, they will nominate someone much, much worse, who would do a lot of damage to the country if he won. But we will have to wait and see which piece of filth they nominate.
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RE: If you were or are a Murican, how would you vote in the 2016 election?
April 28, 2015 at 8:54 am
(April 23, 2015 at 12:35 pm)Chad32 Wrote: So far I hope Elizabeth warren gets the democratic spot, because she seems to be a good candidate. I heard about her through Secular Talk.
(April 23, 2015 at 12:36 pm)Alex K Wrote: (April 23, 2015 at 12:35 pm)Chad32 Wrote: So far I hope Elizabeth warren gets the democratic spot, because she seems to be a good candidate. I heard about her through Secular Talk.
How seriously can we take her denial that she is going to run?
There was an excellent podcast (either Radiolab or This American Life - they all run together now...or hell, it could have been Freakonomics) discussing how mayors and other locally elected officials get a shit-ton more done than the "higher ups" in our government.
Warren appears to be very happy with her version of being "lower down" in order to continue yelling at people and moving things around in the Senate. I really doubt she'd be happy sitting in the gridlock that is the Presidential seat. Obama has the temperament for that. So does Hilary. They both know how to troll their naysayers.
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RE: If you were or are a Murican, how would you vote in the 2016 election?
April 28, 2015 at 9:46 am
(April 28, 2015 at 2:41 am)Jericho Wrote: I am an Independent, and will therefore vote on who I think will best represent our country. So far the only person I undoubtedly don't want to win is Hilary Clinton. That is just my opinion though.
I treat her with such contempt and disgust that I would almost not mind if she lose to a republican.
Almost, not will never quite.
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RE: If you were or are a Murican, how would you vote in the 2016 election?
April 28, 2015 at 12:00 pm
(April 27, 2015 at 10:47 pm)Chuck Wrote: It's not an honorable fight, much less a good fight, if by fighting, the fighter greatly increases the probability of a worse outcome befalling those who did not chose to fight than they would otherwise have suffered, while affording only a very marginal probability, if that, of improving the lot of either the fighters or the bystander.
I don't see that going along with the duopoly presents a better alternative. Voting for either of the two parties is voting for the "worse outcome" that you worry about in this post.
Quote:Far from an honorable or a good fight, such a fight is nothing more than the self-indulgent but impotent scream at the unfairness, with the added problem of the damage it inflicts upon others, rather than coolly calculated manipulation of the odds to maximize the chance for the good.
I disagree. Trying to change the system through voting for the status quo is like fighting for peace or fucking for virginity. Voting third-party inflicts no damage on others, and while it may be an "impotent scream", it at least is not silent acquiescence.
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RE: If you were or are a Murican, how would you vote in the 2016 election?
April 28, 2015 at 12:06 pm
Enough morons voted for Ralph Nader in Florida in 2000 to give the state to Bush...or at least make it close enough for them to steal. Give a thought to what the world would have been like if that fucking moron never got his hands on the White House in 2001 before telling me that 3d parties "hurt no one."
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RE: If you were or are a Murican, how would you vote in the 2016 election?
April 28, 2015 at 12:26 pm
(April 28, 2015 at 12:00 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: (April 27, 2015 at 10:47 pm)Chuck Wrote: It's not an honorable fight, much less a good fight, if by fighting, the fighter greatly increases the probability of a worse outcome befalling those who did not chose to fight than they would otherwise have suffered, while affording only a very marginal probability, if that, of improving the lot of either the fighters or the bystander.
I don't see that going along with the duopoly presents a better alternative. Voting for either of the two parties is voting for the "worse outcome" that you worry about in this post.
Quote:Far from an honorable or a good fight, such a fight is nothing more than the self-indulgent but impotent scream at the unfairness, with the added problem of the damage it inflicts upon others, rather than coolly calculated manipulation of the odds to maximize the chance for the good.
I disagree. Trying to change the system through voting for the status quo is like fighting for peace or fucking for virginity. Voting third-party inflicts no damage on others, and while it may be an "impotent scream", it at least is not silent acquiescence.
In order for that to work, you would need to get so many people voting for the 3rd party candidate, they would have a realistic chance of winning. There would have to be one hell of a candidate for that to happen.
I voted 3rd party myself once - for Ross Perot in 1992. It's not that I wanted Perot to win. I wanted Bill Clinton but I saw the polls so-favored Clinton, he was going to win. So I cast my vote for Perot to send the same message you advocate. I didn't worry about practical effects of my vote because Bill clearly had it.
Totally different story in 2000. I voted for Al Gore - as a resident of Florida. I only regret I didn't work my ass off trying to convince other Floridians to vote for Gore. The Floridians who voted for Ralph Nader gave us George Fucking Bush-Lite. As a result, we got Robertson and Alito as SCOTUS justices. Those two dickwads vote on church-state separation issues. No difference than if we had elected Gore? Right.
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If you were or are a Murican, how would you vote in the 2016 election?
April 28, 2015 at 12:55 pm
I think I'm just gonna write this guy in. ![[Image: 3af81ce449dd674d1d0448c24f72cd44.jpg]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=images.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F15%2F04%2F28%2F3af81ce449dd674d1d0448c24f72cd44.jpg)
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RE: If you were or are a Murican, how would you vote in the 2016 election?
April 28, 2015 at 1:03 pm
Quote:History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.
-- Thomas Jefferson
The jesus freaks would have a shit fit.
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If you were or are a Murican, how would you vote in the 2016 election?
April 28, 2015 at 1:12 pm
Well hell the redneck xtians seem to love him. They must not read much.
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April 28, 2015 at 1:15 pm
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