How to shut up people who are against abortion

[Big Blue Sky]

Oh you would,so why don't you.

I live in a rented room in a house. I earn enough to be relatively comfortable, but not enough to look after a child. Also, my girlfriend lives in another country. I'm not exactly in the most ideal situation for any child.

In the future, when I'm settled down and have a steady income that can support children, I'll adopt. That is, if adoption agencies let me.

I don't see why they would not let you adopt an child. But believe me you will make an great dad someday.

[Bad Wolf]

To the argument, "abortion = bad but abandonment = better = hypocrisy." I would ask the question, what if the person that was killed developed a cure for cancer and you developed cancer? What if instead of being aborted, that same person lived but didn't go through life with their biological parents? Which of these is the better alternative for them and you? I think it would be agreed that life is better than death, even a life separated from your mother and/or father.

This argument is one of the stupidest things ever conceived. The fucking 'What if?' Argument. Have you heard the one about Beethoven:

Doctor 1: "I want your opinion about terminating a pregnancy. The father was syphilitic, the mother had tuberculosis. Of the four children born, the first was blind, the second died, the third was deaf and dumb, the fourth also had tuberculosis. What would you have done?"
Doctor 2: "I would have terminated the pregnancy."
Doctor 1: "Then you would have murdered Beethoven."

Hopefully any person in their right mind can see how absolutely ridiculous this argument is. Whats worse is the facts about this argument aren't even true. Beethoven was not a 4th child at all.

[Tiberius]

I don't see why they would not let you adopt an child. But believe me you will make an great dad someday.

I hope so.

[The Grand Nudger]

I hope so.

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[Big Blue Sky]

I hope so.

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Redhead females! Put me on a list I want 3.

[Big Blue Sky]

[catfish]

Don't want to be called a killer? Don't kill another human...

[Gilgamesh]

Don't want to be called a killer? Don't kill another human...

I don't care if I'm called a killer by anti-abortion bro's.

But yeah, abortion is the one thing in that list that is out of place because abortion effects the fetus/human/whatever you want to call it without its consent.

[dazzn]

i personally don't care about abortion.

however, it's for all of you to comment on others' beliefs. lol..

[That guy who asked questions]

Question guy:

1. It's not about what makes us humans or people or whatever semantic label you would like to press. It's about whether a woman has control over her own body and whether or not, because of a natural human function, she should be saddled with the potential parasite, if you will, resulting from said function (which, incidentally takes two to participate). Please keep in mind, I'm only using feminine pronouns because men are unable to get pregnant, therefore, unable to have abortions (in case gil is watching).

2. Do you really think that being held accountable is the best way to raise a kid? Do you think that people should be punished for having recreational sex? Do you think that raising a child is an appropriate punishment?

3. See my first answer, but in addition to that.... do you realize women have miscarriages all the time? Like, we could have no idea we were even pregnant, have a heavy period, which unbeknownst to us, included (or was) a miscarriage, and we didn't even know we were pregnant? A large percentage of pregnancies don't make it to term.

I have nothing to say about #4. That's gil's.

Abortion has been given too large a platform, IMO. It's no one's business except for the people considering it.

Part 1 you are partially right and partially wrong, the abortion debate actually is still being debated based on semantics because pro-life individuals claim that the fetus is not part of the woman's body and is an entirely different "person." but the topic i'm debating is the premise, "Is it ok to kill another human willingly?" because regardless of whether you want to say it's part of the woman's body it is still a separate under-developed human.

To you're questions. Accountability is important but i'm not implying that the person must raise the child as a punishment for the sex. I'm simply saying that they're are many ways to prevent pregnancy, why should we add the issue of such controversy as well? I'm not referring to all women and saying that they are all irresponsible. I'm specifying a group of women who willingly have unprotected sex, get pregnant, and then get an abortion. That seems like a dodge to accountability to me, which I realize when it comes to legality, is almost a useless concept. Should people be punished for recreational sex? No, i'd be severely pissed off if so. I feel that you can be smart about it though and that if abortion were an option to the individual it should be more about morality and overall good for each human life, not an excuse. Does that mean accidents don't happen and condoms don't fuck up every now and then, of course not, in those instances I understand the viewpoint and I have no outcry against such choice.

Once again, my question is, "Is it moral to willingly kill/terminate another human being regardless of development status?" Miscarriages have zero relevance to my question because there is no willingness in the act. My own personal objections to abortion are only in the instances where a woman willingly has unprotected sex, expects to not get pregnant and then when she does, has an abortion for the simple reason of "I don't want a kid at the moment."