RE: Existence of Jesus
February 18, 2009 at 7:03 am
(This post was last modified: February 18, 2009 at 7:15 am by Edwardo Piet.)
Well I guess I'm thinking that perhaps ideas altogether are statistically more likely to be based on something than be made up from scratch!
So perhaps the Jesus of the bible is therefore more likely to be based on someone who really existed?
And don't you think the 'main character' would seem 'more real' (apart from the miracles LOL!) if he/she was actually based on someone?
I dunno I just think its more probable that Jesus was based on someone than made up altogether.
Sure there's no evidence that he was based on someone. But there's also no evidence he was just made up COMPLETELY from scratch either. It could be either.
And is made up from scratch necessarily the automatic default position because it seems more parsimonious or something?
I think perhaps its more probable he was based on someone. Someone at least vaguely similar perhaps.
I think perhaps big exaggeration is more likely than total lie. I dunno why.
Hey that rhymes
EvF
Ok;
Indeed. What I mean is how similar would the 'character' based on Jesus. The 'real' Jesus; have to be in order for it to count as Jesus?
If he was nothing like Jesus. Or it was even a girl - then that obviously doesn't count.
But if he's very similar then that may count. Especially if strikingly similar but without the miracles.
Although the point you make about the founding of Christianity is a very good one (I mean of course lol), because if the guy Jesus was based on actually had very many differences than Jesus. In fact if he was nothing like Jesus - yet he founded Christianity - perhaps that may count still because he founded Christianity - and that's who Jesus was based on (or could be based on).
What if it was a girl? Wasn't even a man? Yet founded Christianity. Jesus could have been based on someone female and changed to male.
I do doubt that somehow. I think simply because men were so much more dominant back then.
In fact if Jesus was made up totally then Christianity could have been 'started' (where do you draw the line, what's the start?) by a whole bunch of people.
Well I'm not a pig and I don't live in the city. But thanks anyway lol.
So perhaps the Jesus of the bible is therefore more likely to be based on someone who really existed?
And don't you think the 'main character' would seem 'more real' (apart from the miracles LOL!) if he/she was actually based on someone?
I dunno I just think its more probable that Jesus was based on someone than made up altogether.
Sure there's no evidence that he was based on someone. But there's also no evidence he was just made up COMPLETELY from scratch either. It could be either.
And is made up from scratch necessarily the automatic default position because it seems more parsimonious or something?
I think perhaps its more probable he was based on someone. Someone at least vaguely similar perhaps.
I think perhaps big exaggeration is more likely than total lie. I dunno why.
Hey that rhymes
EvF
(February 17, 2009 at 3:08 pm)DD_8630 Wrote: Probably
EvidenceVsFaith Wrote:Almost certainly
DD_8630 Wrote:Yes.
No.
Maybe...
Can you repeat the question?
:p
Ok;
(February 17, 2009 at 12:56 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: Of course THE Jesus didn't exist. Because there was no virgin birth or son or God or miracles and whatnot!
Quote:Either he existed or he didn't :p
Indeed. What I mean is how similar would the 'character' based on Jesus. The 'real' Jesus; have to be in order for it to count as Jesus?
If he was nothing like Jesus. Or it was even a girl - then that obviously doesn't count.
But if he's very similar then that may count. Especially if strikingly similar but without the miracles.
Although the point you make about the founding of Christianity is a very good one (I mean of course lol), because if the guy Jesus was based on actually had very many differences than Jesus. In fact if he was nothing like Jesus - yet he founded Christianity - perhaps that may count still because he founded Christianity - and that's who Jesus was based on (or could be based on).
What if it was a girl? Wasn't even a man? Yet founded Christianity. Jesus could have been based on someone female and changed to male.
I do doubt that somehow. I think simply because men were so much more dominant back then.
In fact if Jesus was made up totally then Christianity could have been 'started' (where do you draw the line, what's the start?) by a whole bunch of people.
EvidenceVsFaith Wrote:You're great to discuss with.
DD_8630 Wrote:Love you too babe.
Well I'm not a pig and I don't live in the city. But thanks anyway lol.
