(February 9, 2016 at 12:01 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:(February 8, 2016 at 7:05 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Right off the bat, there is an implied parity of observational weight or volume (and nature) between the three that isn't representative of the actual situation.
Consciousness is not hypothetical, and is directly -and- indirectly observed to such an extent that it's inclusion in this list of three seems absurd.
Dark matter is an open hypothetical, and is indirectly observed.
Spirit is a thoroughly discredited hypothetical, that has never been directly or indirectly observed - and worse, a hypothetical whose purpose for existence has long since yielded to more accurate and factual explanations.
Yes, but why is it discredited? Saying that it is discredited without giving a reason why is just an argument from consensus. And I would have to disagree with your assertion about consciousness. If by observed we mean witnessed by our perceptual systems, consciousness as a brain process has never been observed directly. That places the hypothesis that consciousness is a brain process in the same category as the explanations that involve dark matter. There is indirect evidence, but no direct observation. Which is the same situation in which the hypothesis about spirits and souls is in — there is indirect evidence but no direct observation. So your tripartite scheme collapses into itself.
I gave kudos to those who grappled honestly with the question. The rejection of the possibility of spirit is based on the fact that it is not defined, has never been observed. To ignore the fact that the same is true of dark matter is not the way a scientist would deal with the question. Scientist believe that one day they will be able to observe dark matter. And one day, the theists tell us, god will reveal himself, meanwhile you just have to believe that god/dark matter is there for some reason other than direct observation.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.
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I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.
Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
--Voltaire
Nietzsche isn't dead. How do I know he lives? He lives in my mind.