Can't prove the supernatural God

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The problem with the appeal to the supernatural for believers is that it essentially an admission that they have no explanation and no evidence. It is an admission that they are holding a value to be truthful despite the evidence.

Atheists are in a similar boat and one that is far leakier. The physical universe has particular features such as four fundamental forces and a handful of constants. Do the specific properties of the physical universe require an explanation? Is it reasonable to ask why the speed of light is ‘c’ or why there are only four forces, not more or less? Every time I ask the question, I get the same answer - the universe really could not possibly be different than it is and these are just brute facts. And before you cry multiverse, remember that you've only pushed the question back. If there are laws governing the spawning of new universes, won't those laws also require an explanation? Or are those just brute facts too.

You see. Saying that some things do not require an explanation is fine, but only when those things must be as they are by necessity and could be no other way. The universe does not seem to fall into that category. The mere fact that the universe is expanding shows that it does not have to be just as it is. It is already is changing into something else, i.e. bigger. So if it can get bigger why can't the constants change or new fundamental forces appear? Oh yeah, that's right...brute facts.

Chad do you know the expression "better to stay silent and have the world think you a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"? Because arguing for god based on your deep ignorance of how the universe works is a prime illustration of that dictum.

I'm not much less ignorant about the above questions than you are. But I have one massive advantage over you. I don't immediately turn to a being for whom we've no fucking evidence at all when baffled by the workings of something. I go looking to see if someone has an answer and, if possible, work to understand that answer. You on the other hand scratch your arse and say "duuuur,...goddidit" and start screaming at the other apes who are unsatisfied with your non-answer.