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Atheism and Theism Comparison
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RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison
(November 18, 2016 at 8:36 am)robvalue Wrote: I'm saying that it seems impossible to tell whether it was created by an intelligence or not, by anyone. Not that I just happen to not have this information. We're trapped inside the thing we wish to study, and we have no control subject. Attempts to draw conclusions from reality itself from the contents of the same reality is the fallacy of composition; it doesn't follow.

I lack belief in a creator because I see no evidence of one. It seems to be the case that there couldn't even be evidence of one. But I'm always open to being convinced otherwise.

The nearest I could say is if a bunch of stuff started happening which looked very much like direct intervention from an outside agent, that would be potential evidence. But still, it's difficult to form a testable hypothesis.

More importantly, I don't care if something created this reality, or why, beyond simple curiosity.

I'm saying that it seems impossible to tell whether it was created by an intelligence or not, by anyone. Not that I just happen to not have this information. We're trapped inside the thing we wish to study, and we have no control subject. Attempts to draw conclusions from reality itself from the contents of the same reality is the fallacy of composition; it doesn't follow.

Why do you not care if something created this reality, or why, beyond simple curiosity?

But we could work this out if we know if we got here by an accident or Created by God and I don't see a middle ground in this like not making a judgement upon the two and accepting neither because that would be being ignorant.

Ok. I lack belief that you have intelligence.
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Atheism and Theism Comparison - by The Joker - November 17, 2016 at 8:29 pm
RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by account_inactive - November 17, 2016 at 8:30 pm
RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by The Grand Nudger - November 17, 2016 at 8:31 pm
RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by Cyberman - November 17, 2016 at 8:34 pm
RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by ApeNotKillApe - November 17, 2016 at 8:37 pm
RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by RoadRunner79 - November 17, 2016 at 9:08 pm
RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by The Joker - November 18, 2016 at 5:35 am
RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by Whateverist - November 18, 2016 at 8:46 am
RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by Edwardo Piet - November 18, 2016 at 5:00 pm
RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 17, 2016 at 8:51 pm
RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by The Joker - November 18, 2016 at 5:59 am
RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by ApeNotKillApe - November 17, 2016 at 9:09 pm
RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by Whateverist - November 17, 2016 at 9:33 pm
RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by Cato - November 18, 2016 at 3:09 am
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RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by GUBU - November 18, 2016 at 8:46 am
RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by Fake Messiah - November 18, 2016 at 9:10 am
RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by The Joker - November 18, 2016 at 6:58 am
RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by robvalue - November 18, 2016 at 4:51 am
RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by Fake Messiah - November 18, 2016 at 5:13 am
RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by robvalue - November 18, 2016 at 5:16 am
RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by robvalue - November 18, 2016 at 5:39 am
RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by robvalue - November 18, 2016 at 6:08 am
RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by The Joker - November 18, 2016 at 6:23 am
RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by ApeNotKillApe - November 18, 2016 at 6:48 am
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RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by Edwardo Piet - November 18, 2016 at 5:06 pm
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RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by The Joker - November 18, 2016 at 7:06 am
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RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by Mr Greene - November 21, 2016 at 11:54 am
RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by Edwardo Piet - November 19, 2016 at 7:18 pm
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RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by robvalue - November 18, 2016 at 7:25 am
RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by The Joker - November 18, 2016 at 7:57 am
RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by Whateverist - November 18, 2016 at 9:04 am
RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by The Joker - November 18, 2016 at 9:07 am
RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by robvalue - November 18, 2016 at 9:09 am
RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by The Joker - November 18, 2016 at 9:12 am
RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by The Joker - November 18, 2016 at 9:17 am
RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by robvalue - November 18, 2016 at 8:10 am
RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by The Joker - November 18, 2016 at 8:23 am
RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by Whateverist - November 18, 2016 at 8:53 am
RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by robvalue - November 18, 2016 at 8:36 am
RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by The Joker - November 18, 2016 at 8:44 am
RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by Edwardo Piet - November 18, 2016 at 5:13 pm
RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by Whateverist - November 18, 2016 at 9:00 am
RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by robvalue - November 18, 2016 at 8:47 am
RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by robvalue - November 18, 2016 at 8:51 am
RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by The Joker - November 18, 2016 at 8:53 am
RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by Whateverist - November 18, 2016 at 9:02 am
RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by robvalue - November 18, 2016 at 8:57 am
RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by The Joker - November 18, 2016 at 9:01 am
RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by robvalue - November 18, 2016 at 9:04 am
RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by robvalue - November 18, 2016 at 9:08 am
RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by The Joker - November 18, 2016 at 9:10 am
RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by Jesster - November 18, 2016 at 9:08 am
RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by Whateverist - November 18, 2016 at 9:11 am
RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by Whateverist - November 18, 2016 at 9:08 am
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RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by The Joker - November 18, 2016 at 9:14 am
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RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by Whateverist - November 18, 2016 at 9:19 am
RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by LastPoet - November 18, 2016 at 9:23 am
RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by Whateverist - November 18, 2016 at 9:28 am
RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by robvalue - November 18, 2016 at 9:25 am
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RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by robvalue - November 18, 2016 at 9:43 am
RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by Astreja - November 18, 2016 at 12:20 pm
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RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by robvalue - November 18, 2016 at 4:44 pm
RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by Edwardo Piet - November 18, 2016 at 5:25 pm
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RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by Cyberman - November 21, 2016 at 4:44 pm
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RE: Atheism and Theism Comparison - by Jesster - November 21, 2016 at 5:34 pm
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