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Atheism is irrational.
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RE: Atheism is irrational.
All these arguments are really saying are:

1. Some things need a cause. [Fair enough, although you should really talk about material and efficient causes to be clear]

2. Out of the things that need causes, there can't be infinite regression. [This is just an unsupported assertion, but let's allow it]

3. So there must be something that doesn't need a cause starting the chain.

How do we determine what that thing is? We haven't even narrowed it down to one thing. You can't just announce that there is only one thing is this set, and it happens to be what you want it to be. And we certainly haven't excluded reality itself as being one of the candidates. The criteria for not needing a cause is often "begins to exist", but (a) that's an unsupported assertion if applied uniformly to all of reality and (b) we haven't shown reality itself began to exist.
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Atheism is irrational. - by theologian - November 20, 2016 at 11:36 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Foxaèr - November 20, 2016 at 11:38 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by AceBoogie - December 5, 2016 at 1:45 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Angrboda - November 20, 2016 at 11:53 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Thumpalumpacus - November 20, 2016 at 11:56 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by robvalue - November 21, 2016 at 12:01 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Cyberman - November 21, 2016 at 12:02 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Ravenshire - November 21, 2016 at 2:30 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by TheoneandonlytrueGod - December 6, 2016 at 10:56 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Mister Agenda - December 7, 2016 at 10:57 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Whateverist - December 7, 2016 at 12:29 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by FallentoReason - November 21, 2016 at 12:03 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Astreja - November 21, 2016 at 12:08 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Primordial Bisque - November 21, 2016 at 12:17 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Alex K - November 21, 2016 at 12:32 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by robvalue - November 21, 2016 at 12:35 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Primordial Bisque - November 21, 2016 at 12:46 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by robvalue - November 21, 2016 at 1:11 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Minimalist - November 21, 2016 at 12:42 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Edwardo Piet - November 21, 2016 at 12:48 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by theologian - November 21, 2016 at 1:17 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Foxaèr - November 21, 2016 at 1:20 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Astreja - November 21, 2016 at 1:32 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Ravenshire - November 21, 2016 at 2:34 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Thumpalumpacus - November 21, 2016 at 4:48 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Cyberman - November 21, 2016 at 2:13 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Primordial Bisque - November 21, 2016 at 4:15 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Neo-Scholastic - November 21, 2016 at 5:41 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Primordial Bisque - November 21, 2016 at 7:58 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by GUBU - November 22, 2016 at 5:34 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by GUBU - November 22, 2016 at 5:28 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Angrboda - November 21, 2016 at 6:32 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Whateverist - November 21, 2016 at 1:45 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Foxaèr - November 21, 2016 at 1:47 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by robvalue - November 21, 2016 at 1:59 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by theologian - November 21, 2016 at 2:01 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Foxaèr - November 21, 2016 at 2:03 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Astreja - November 21, 2016 at 12:22 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Excited Penguin - November 21, 2016 at 12:35 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Astreja - November 21, 2016 at 2:15 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by robvalue - November 21, 2016 at 2:19 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Jesster - November 21, 2016 at 2:31 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by I_am_not_mafia - November 21, 2016 at 3:49 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Bob Kelso - November 21, 2016 at 4:06 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 21, 2016 at 5:06 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by chimp3 - November 21, 2016 at 6:22 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Thumpalumpacus - November 21, 2016 at 6:35 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by chimp3 - November 21, 2016 at 6:39 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Faith No More - November 21, 2016 at 7:17 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Tonus - November 21, 2016 at 1:18 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by brewer - November 21, 2016 at 7:41 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Cato - November 21, 2016 at 7:45 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Gawdzilla Sama - November 21, 2016 at 9:16 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by robvalue - November 21, 2016 at 10:17 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by 8BitAtheist - November 21, 2016 at 10:19 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Shell B - November 21, 2016 at 10:23 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by houseofcantor - November 22, 2016 at 8:01 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by zebo-the-fat - November 21, 2016 at 11:22 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Whateverist - November 21, 2016 at 11:26 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Thumpalumpacus - November 21, 2016 at 1:40 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Ravenshire - November 21, 2016 at 5:58 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Opoponax - November 21, 2016 at 12:45 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Whateverist - November 21, 2016 at 1:21 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Minimalist - November 22, 2016 at 4:05 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Mister Agenda - November 21, 2016 at 1:43 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Excited Penguin - November 21, 2016 at 1:52 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Cyberman - November 21, 2016 at 4:23 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Fake Messiah - November 21, 2016 at 4:24 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by robvalue - November 21, 2016 at 4:52 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by The Joker - November 21, 2016 at 5:26 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Neo-Scholastic - November 21, 2016 at 8:16 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by robvalue - November 22, 2016 at 4:19 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by robvalue - November 22, 2016 at 7:33 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Tonus - November 22, 2016 at 7:53 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Whateverist - November 22, 2016 at 7:41 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by robvalue - November 22, 2016 at 7:55 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Tonus - November 22, 2016 at 10:01 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Neo-Scholastic - November 22, 2016 at 3:46 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Simon Moon - November 22, 2016 at 4:02 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Neo-Scholastic - November 22, 2016 at 4:10 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by LastPoet - November 22, 2016 at 4:13 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Whateverist - November 22, 2016 at 4:14 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Simon Moon - November 22, 2016 at 4:24 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Neo-Scholastic - November 22, 2016 at 5:24 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by GUBU - November 23, 2016 at 6:43 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by GUBU - November 23, 2016 at 6:38 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Thumpalumpacus - November 23, 2016 at 11:58 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by robvalue - November 22, 2016 at 8:00 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by chimp3 - November 22, 2016 at 8:07 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by houseofcantor - November 22, 2016 at 8:14 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Faith No More - November 22, 2016 at 11:36 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Whateverist - November 22, 2016 at 8:09 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Excited Penguin - November 22, 2016 at 8:14 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by chimp3 - November 22, 2016 at 8:23 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by GUBU - November 22, 2016 at 10:54 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Cyberman - November 22, 2016 at 4:18 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Mister Agenda - November 22, 2016 at 4:29 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Edwardo Piet - November 22, 2016 at 6:28 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Jesster - November 22, 2016 at 6:34 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Edwardo Piet - November 23, 2016 at 5:12 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Gemini - November 23, 2016 at 5:17 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Tonus - November 23, 2016 at 6:09 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by robvalue - November 24, 2016 at 2:21 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by robvalue - November 23, 2016 at 8:07 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Neo-Scholastic - November 23, 2016 at 11:37 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Astreja - November 23, 2016 at 11:56 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Thumpalumpacus - November 23, 2016 at 12:46 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Neo-Scholastic - November 23, 2016 at 1:21 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Mister Agenda - November 23, 2016 at 1:39 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by downbeatplumb - November 23, 2016 at 2:43 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Edwardo Piet - November 23, 2016 at 5:13 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Thumpalumpacus - November 23, 2016 at 5:57 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Neo-Scholastic - November 23, 2016 at 7:30 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Whateverist - November 24, 2016 at 2:55 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Neo-Scholastic - November 28, 2016 at 10:49 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by GUBU - November 24, 2016 at 5:45 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Edwardo Piet - November 23, 2016 at 5:19 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Asmodee - November 30, 2016 at 1:18 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Neo-Scholastic - November 30, 2016 at 4:02 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Asmodee - November 30, 2016 at 6:50 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Neo-Scholastic - November 30, 2016 at 7:05 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Asmodee - December 2, 2016 at 12:24 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Ravenshire - December 7, 2016 at 3:10 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Whateverist - December 3, 2016 at 11:40 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Neo-Scholastic - December 2, 2016 at 1:55 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Asmodee - December 5, 2016 at 10:54 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Neo-Scholastic - December 7, 2016 at 10:47 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Asmodee - December 7, 2016 at 12:22 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Neo-Scholastic - December 7, 2016 at 1:39 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Asmodee - December 9, 2016 at 1:04 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Neo-Scholastic - December 14, 2016 at 6:08 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Asmodee - December 15, 2016 at 4:56 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by GUBU - December 7, 2016 at 8:32 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Fireball - December 7, 2016 at 11:11 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by downbeatplumb - December 3, 2016 at 11:21 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Tonus - December 3, 2016 at 11:32 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by chimp3 - December 3, 2016 at 3:07 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by dyresand - December 5, 2016 at 2:36 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Cyberman - December 7, 2016 at 8:58 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by The Grand Nudger - December 7, 2016 at 2:51 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Simon Moon - December 7, 2016 at 4:04 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Neo-Scholastic - December 7, 2016 at 4:14 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Simon Moon - December 7, 2016 at 4:18 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Neo-Scholastic - December 7, 2016 at 4:45 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Tonus - December 7, 2016 at 5:02 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Simon Moon - December 7, 2016 at 5:29 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by The Grand Nudger - December 7, 2016 at 4:15 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by The Grand Nudger - December 7, 2016 at 4:24 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by The Grand Nudger - December 7, 2016 at 4:47 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Cecelia - December 7, 2016 at 6:12 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Simon Moon - December 7, 2016 at 7:16 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by maestroanth - December 10, 2016 at 5:00 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by comet - December 13, 2016 at 8:32 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by comet - December 14, 2016 at 9:04 pm

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