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"I refuse to change my mind"
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RE: "I refuse to change my mind"
(February 27, 2017 at 1:19 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:
(February 27, 2017 at 5:02 am)Socrates Wrote: There are many religious people who absolutely refuse to change their mind, some of them even call others who dont believe in their god and who claim to be open to being convinced a god exist closed minded.

So tell me, if I said, as an Atheist, that I refuse to change my mind, am I closed minded? If a religious person who agreed with you said they wouldn't change their mind, are they closed minded? What about religious people who disagree with you, are they closed minded?
The question is more aimed torwards religious people as you can probably tell.

If you think all the others who disagree with you are closed minded then what seperates your case from theirs?
Why in the first place would you refuse to change your mind about anything? That doesnt seem like an effective way to find truth, just clinging on to an answer and refusing to be convinced otherwise regardless of what we discover or see.

But how can you tell who is closed minded and who is not?

I like how you guys always discount the fact that maybe said religious person has seen sufficient evidence to justify their beliefs personally. Just because YOU haven't seen evidence doesn't mean none exists. Furthermore, how do you propose to change ones mind from a position of ignorance?

Justifying beliefs personally is easy.  They don't have to be rational or make sense if you don't care.  But that's not evidence for anyone else who sets the bar higher than "it feels right to me".

(February 27, 2017 at 2:58 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:
(February 27, 2017 at 5:02 am)Socrates Wrote: There are many religious people who absolutely refuse to change their mind, some of them even call others who dont believe in their god and who claim to be open to being convinced a god exist closed minded.

So tell me, if I said, as an Atheist, that I refuse to change my mind, am I closed minded? If a religious person who agreed with you said they wouldn't change their mind, are they closed minded? What about religious people who disagree with you, are they closed minded?
The question is more aimed torwards religious people as you can probably tell.

If you think all the others who disagree with you are closed minded then what seperates your case from theirs?
Why in the first place would you refuse to change your mind about anything? That doesnt seem like an effective way to find truth, just clinging on to an answer and refusing to be convinced otherwise regardless of what we discover or see.

But how can you tell who is closed minded and who is not?

I'm having this as a back and forth with Drich at the moment. Apparently I'm a closed minded "Flat Earther" because I find his arguments unconvincing.
I have always said I am willing to have my mind changed by sufficiently strong evidence hey apparently you have to drink the koolaid to qualify as having an open mind.

Compared to Drich, you could just call yourself "minded" and come out on top.

(February 27, 2017 at 3:20 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:
(February 27, 2017 at 2:58 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: I'm having this as a back and forth with Drich at the moment. Apparently I'm a closed minded "Flat Earther" because I find his arguments unconvincing.
I have always said I am willing to have my mind changed by sufficiently strong evidence hey apparently you have to drink the koolaid to qualify as having an open mind.


The problem is, theists claim they can slam dunk, until you find out they are playing on an 8' basketball  hoop.

They lower their evidential requirements for their beliefs a lot lower than they would for other supernatural claims not within their specific theistic framework.

I've always wondered why more christians don't believe in witches, as there is a whole lot more "evidence" from the Salem Witch Trials on how they work, how to identify them and such than for their god.

(February 27, 2017 at 10:16 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:
(February 27, 2017 at 2:17 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: When?

I follow your posts pretty closely, and all I ever see is flawed philosophical arguments.

Really? Flawed philosophical arguments? Name one. It seems to me that's just a way for you to justify atheists taking all these L's.

First of all, I never present any arguments, I counter-argue, If those counter-arguments are flawed then they should be refuted easily. Instead we have a number of people who have me on ignore after getting that work.

Secondly, my signature has been permanently disabled after quoting some of the ridiculous arguments that certain atheists here have made, that should tell you all you need to know...

(February 27, 2017 at 2:17 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: What do you mean 'quiet as a church mouse'? I've seen almost everyone here respond to your nonsense many times.

There are plenty of threads that have been quickly abandoned by atheists after being confronted with facts, If the facts were flawed in any way you'd think they'd be all over it. Dunno

Really? Facts? Name one.
"The last superstition of the human mind is the superstition that religion in itself is a good thing."  - Samuel Porter Putnam
 
           

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Messages In This Thread
"I refuse to change my mind" - by Socrates - February 27, 2017 at 5:02 am
RE: "I refuse to change my mind" - by Thumpalumpacus - February 27, 2017 at 5:09 am
RE: "I refuse to change my mind" - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - February 27, 2017 at 5:12 am
RE: "I refuse to change my mind" - by Alex K - February 27, 2017 at 5:23 am
RE: "I refuse to change my mind" - by ignoramus - February 27, 2017 at 5:51 am
RE: "I refuse to change my mind" - by bennyboy - February 27, 2017 at 5:57 am
RE: "I refuse to change my mind" - by Azu - February 27, 2017 at 6:32 am
RE: "I refuse to change my mind" - by Socrates - February 27, 2017 at 7:07 am
RE: "I refuse to change my mind" - by brewer - February 27, 2017 at 11:21 am
RE: "I refuse to change my mind" - by Mr Greene - February 27, 2017 at 6:40 am
RE: "I refuse to change my mind" - by vorlon13 - February 27, 2017 at 11:05 am
RE: "I refuse to change my mind" - by Simon Moon - February 27, 2017 at 11:41 am
RE: "I refuse to change my mind" - by paulpablo - February 27, 2017 at 1:10 pm
RE: "I refuse to change my mind" - by Huggy Bear - February 27, 2017 at 1:19 pm
RE: "I refuse to change my mind" - by Harry Nevis - March 1, 2017 at 10:28 am
RE: "I refuse to change my mind" - by Minimalist - February 27, 2017 at 1:49 pm
RE: "I refuse to change my mind" - by Huggy Bear - February 27, 2017 at 1:58 pm
RE: "I refuse to change my mind" - by Simon Moon - February 27, 2017 at 2:17 pm
RE: "I refuse to change my mind" - by Huggy Bear - February 27, 2017 at 10:16 pm
RE: "I refuse to change my mind" - by Cyberman - February 28, 2017 at 11:55 pm
RE: "I refuse to change my mind" - by Huggy Bear - March 1, 2017 at 4:15 am
RE: "I refuse to change my mind" - by Cyberman - March 1, 2017 at 7:45 pm
RE: "I refuse to change my mind" - by Huggy Bear - March 1, 2017 at 8:19 pm
RE: "I refuse to change my mind" - by Minimalist - February 27, 2017 at 2:00 pm
RE: "I refuse to change my mind" - by Crunchy - February 27, 2017 at 2:09 pm
RE: "I refuse to change my mind" - by Huggy Bear - February 27, 2017 at 2:12 pm
RE: "I refuse to change my mind" - by downbeatplumb - February 27, 2017 at 2:58 pm
RE: "I refuse to change my mind" - by Simon Moon - February 27, 2017 at 3:20 pm
RE: "I refuse to change my mind" - by Drich - February 27, 2017 at 6:42 pm
RE: "I refuse to change my mind" - by downbeatplumb - February 27, 2017 at 6:55 pm
RE: "I refuse to change my mind" - by Kosh - February 28, 2017 at 2:40 am
RE: "I refuse to change my mind" - by Angrboda - February 27, 2017 at 9:37 pm
RE: "I refuse to change my mind" - by ignoramus - February 27, 2017 at 9:47 pm
RE: "I refuse to change my mind" - by The Valkyrie - February 27, 2017 at 9:52 pm
RE: "I refuse to change my mind" - by account_inactive - March 1, 2017 at 12:03 am
RE: "I refuse to change my mind" - by Cyberman - March 1, 2017 at 9:08 pm
RE: "I refuse to change my mind" - by Huggy Bear - March 1, 2017 at 10:36 pm
RE: "I refuse to change my mind" - by Cyberman - March 1, 2017 at 11:30 pm
RE: "I refuse to change my mind" - by Huggy Bear - March 2, 2017 at 1:31 am
RE: "I refuse to change my mind" - by Cyberman - March 2, 2017 at 3:12 am
RE: "I refuse to change my mind" - by Huggy Bear - March 2, 2017 at 4:39 am

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