RE: Agnosticism IS the most dishonest position
February 17, 2020 at 2:36 pm
(This post was last modified: February 17, 2020 at 2:37 pm by R00tKiT.)
(February 17, 2020 at 1:32 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: However, there being only two options does not mean you have to select one as your position.
In the case of the existence of God. You do select an option. If you live as though God doesn't exist, that is, you're not following any religion or spirituality, then you practically did go for the second option [God doesn't exist]. I mean by God here the deity with the three-omni properties of course, and the just kind of deity.
My main point is that, if you sincerely exhausted all possible avenues looking for a just deity, then this deity surely doesn't exist. But then again it all comes down to exhausting all possible avenues.
(February 17, 2020 at 1:32 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: don't believe the 'no god' option is true either; but I personally assign it a high probability because I think it's more likely to be true.
Then you're not an agnostic. I am also curious to know how you reached this high probability of non existence.
(February 17, 2020 at 1:46 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:(February 17, 2020 at 11:56 am)Klorophyll Wrote: The deity you're talking about is also just ( an unjust deity is a useless concept ). And as such, it cannot have left poeple before us completely lost and without any way of reaching an impartial truth about its existence. It's not fair that a deity will reveal itself in the future, because all poeple who lived before this moment missed the revelation. And there is no way to solve this problem even with very loose theological arguments.
But humans existed for tens of thousands of years before the Abrahamic god was so much as a gleam in a conman's eye. As a Muslim, don't you consider it unfair that Allah didn't reveal himself to Mohammed until the 7th century? This clearly makes Allah unjust (according to your claims, at least). Now, if you want to continue to claim that Allah is just, you've made the case that a god can reveal itself at any point and still exhibit justice. If (according to your claims, at least) Allah not revealing himself makes him unjust, because all of the millions of humans who lived before Mohammed got the revelation had no access to it, your entire argument vanishes in a puff of special pleading.
Boru
Islam considers God's existence as beyond doubt, and it was somewhat the case everywhere until the 17th century or so. According to our beliefs, Allah revealed a message to Muhammad, his existence was accepted even by Meccan pagans before the Islamic Prophet. The existence of God was not a matter of discussion in any Abrahamic religion.