(April 22, 2012 at 6:53 pm)Ace Otana Wrote: William Craig is one of the biggest idiots to walk the earth, he's not worth listening to. No basis in science at all.
the comment was however from John Barrow and Frank Tipler. They were just mentioned by Craig.
http://www.arn.org/docs/odesign/od172/cosmos172.htm
"As Barrow and Tipler comment, "It is, of course, somewhat inappropriate to call the origin of a bubble Universe in a fluctuation of the vacuum 'creation ex nihilo,' for the quantum mechanical vacuum state has a rich structure which resides in a previously existing substratum of space-time, either Minkowski or de Sitter space-time. Clearly, a true 'creation ex nihilo' would be the spontaneous generation of everything--space-time, the quantum mechanical vacuum, matter--at some time in the past."([1986], p. 441)."
Quote:Give it a good watch. I've got to turn in, it's getting kinda late.
i have seen this video ad nausea being posted by non thinking atheists......
they believe it, because it fits their world view. But thinking it trough, its utmost nonsense.
Quote:So any credible evidence on hand for naturalism ?
It's all in science. All one has to do is study it.
I'm not a teacher or professor. If you're really interested in debating this sort of thing, you'd listen to both sides.
so you hold a standpoint without having any credible evidence to it up ??!!
Have i understood this right ? So you hold a atheistic world view based on no evidence ?
thanks for admitting that.....
(April 22, 2012 at 6:52 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Yeah I'm done with this one.
Of course you are. You just gave up your cause.