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Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'?
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RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'?
(November 5, 2008 at 6:23 pm)Darwinian Wrote: Hi Catherine

I'm afraid that this is my fault for using words like clever. From our point of view they are clever but I'm not imbuing these processes with any form of consciousness nor am I implying that there is any kind of design behind their behaviour.

What happened, probably, was that a certain chemical reaction took place all those billions of years ago that produced something that was able to crudely replicate itself.

This is pure chemistry. Evolution then took over simply because it is an inevitable consequence of replicating chemicals.

So.. The chemicals and processes themselves are not clever, they are simply obeying the laws of physics. However, from our point of view we see them as clever. This is more to do with our perspective and how we see the world around us.

The Universe looks designed and thought out simply because we design things and we like to anthropomorphisise things.
Yeah, I understand that you were using "clever" in a metaphorical sense, just as biologists such as Dawkins use "purpose" in a metaphorical sense, like "what is the purpose of a wing?" when what Dawkins really means is "What is the evolutionary advantage of a wing?"
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Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - October 29, 2008 at 5:35 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Jason Jarred - October 29, 2008 at 6:12 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - October 30, 2008 at 4:36 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by leo-rcc - October 30, 2008 at 5:29 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by allan175 - October 30, 2008 at 5:36 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - October 30, 2008 at 8:11 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by allan175 - October 30, 2008 at 8:35 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - October 30, 2008 at 8:46 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by leo-rcc - October 30, 2008 at 9:34 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - October 30, 2008 at 10:08 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by leo-rcc - October 30, 2008 at 10:36 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - October 30, 2008 at 5:34 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - October 30, 2008 at 3:40 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Tiberius - October 30, 2008 at 5:26 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 2, 2008 at 5:50 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by allan175 - November 3, 2008 at 5:10 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - October 31, 2008 at 3:28 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by allan175 - October 31, 2008 at 6:03 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - October 31, 2008 at 7:54 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - October 31, 2008 at 12:50 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - October 31, 2008 at 1:46 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by bozo - October 31, 2008 at 5:07 pm
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RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by leo-rcc - November 1, 2008 at 4:05 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Daystar - November 2, 2008 at 5:59 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 3, 2008 at 8:01 am
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RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 5, 2008 at 11:02 am
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RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by leo-rcc - November 2, 2008 at 7:27 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 3, 2008 at 3:42 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Daystar - November 3, 2008 at 10:48 am
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RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Tiberius - November 3, 2008 at 1:12 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 3, 2008 at 1:18 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 4, 2008 at 5:29 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Darwinian - November 5, 2008 at 3:28 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 5, 2008 at 4:18 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Darwinian - November 5, 2008 at 5:15 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 5, 2008 at 5:13 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Darwinian - November 5, 2008 at 6:23 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 5, 2008 at 7:55 pm
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RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Daystar - November 6, 2008 at 8:23 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Jason Jarred - November 6, 2008 at 9:05 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Kyuuketsuki - November 7, 2008 at 9:56 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Jason Jarred - November 6, 2008 at 6:12 pm
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RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by bozo - November 6, 2008 at 8:15 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Kyuuketsuki - November 7, 2008 at 9:35 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 7, 2008 at 9:46 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 6, 2008 at 1:37 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Tiberius - November 6, 2008 at 8:50 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Daystar - November 6, 2008 at 9:44 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by allan175 - November 7, 2008 at 5:06 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Kyuuketsuki - November 7, 2008 at 10:03 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Jason Jarred - November 8, 2008 at 3:35 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Daystar - November 8, 2008 at 10:54 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Tiberius - November 7, 2008 at 4:12 am
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RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by allan175 - November 7, 2008 at 10:16 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by bozo - November 8, 2008 at 4:22 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Darwinian - November 7, 2008 at 10:07 am
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RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 7, 2008 at 3:34 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 7, 2008 at 4:01 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Darwinian - November 7, 2008 at 4:53 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 7, 2008 at 5:51 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 8, 2008 at 9:51 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 8, 2008 at 12:28 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 8, 2008 at 2:26 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 8, 2008 at 3:35 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Tiberius - November 8, 2008 at 2:51 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 8, 2008 at 3:06 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 8, 2008 at 3:09 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 8, 2008 at 3:16 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 8, 2008 at 3:26 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Darwinian - November 8, 2008 at 4:17 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 8, 2008 at 3:46 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 8, 2008 at 3:49 pm
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RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 8, 2008 at 4:21 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Darwinian - November 8, 2008 at 4:24 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 8, 2008 at 4:23 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 8, 2008 at 4:30 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Darwinian - November 8, 2008 at 4:44 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 8, 2008 at 4:52 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 8, 2008 at 4:56 pm
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RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Tiberius - November 8, 2008 at 5:04 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 8, 2008 at 5:07 pm
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RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 9, 2008 at 1:26 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 9, 2008 at 2:57 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by allan175 - November 10, 2008 at 5:42 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 9, 2008 at 9:54 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 10, 2008 at 3:47 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 10, 2008 at 9:05 am
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RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 10, 2008 at 1:00 pm
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RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 11, 2008 at 3:36 pm
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RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 13, 2008 at 12:34 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by chatpilot - November 14, 2008 at 11:06 am
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