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Proof that God doesn't exist
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RE: Proof that God doesn't exist
Your point on deception fails in multiple ways.
Quote: If the second assumption is 100% true, then it means he cannot possibly deceive in any way, as that would ultimately reveal that he is mischievous and this love that he has for us could be a mere illusion.
This is a false dichotomy. God can deceive in judgment of sin and rejection of truth:

2 Thes
9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, 10 and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

You also fail to factor in that men can delude themselves.
Romans 1
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

A more esoteric point is that you don't factor in Satan and the possibility that he deceives people.

So, you don't have basis to conclude, "Given that when we take the universe he created and we yield results with it that are a cause of the laws of his universe, we can rest assured that the interpretation of the universe is exactly what he willed."
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Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - October 31, 2012 at 11:04 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Edwardo Piet - October 31, 2012 at 11:20 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - October 31, 2012 at 11:33 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Drich - October 31, 2012 at 11:47 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Edwardo Piet - October 31, 2012 at 11:53 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - October 31, 2012 at 12:03 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Edwardo Piet - October 31, 2012 at 12:52 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Drich - October 31, 2012 at 2:09 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Drich - October 31, 2012 at 11:30 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by The Grand Nudger - October 31, 2012 at 11:41 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Drich - October 31, 2012 at 12:00 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - October 31, 2012 at 11:54 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by ThomM - November 14, 2012 at 2:12 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by John V - October 31, 2012 at 12:40 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by The Grand Nudger - October 31, 2012 at 2:28 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Drich - October 31, 2012 at 3:32 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Undeceived - October 31, 2012 at 4:17 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by The Grand Nudger - October 31, 2012 at 6:26 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Drich - October 31, 2012 at 11:52 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - October 31, 2012 at 9:51 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Edwardo Piet - November 1, 2012 at 5:31 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Godschild - November 1, 2012 at 12:38 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Aractus - November 1, 2012 at 4:25 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by John V - November 1, 2012 at 8:09 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by The Grand Nudger - November 1, 2012 at 10:37 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - November 1, 2012 at 9:53 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Drich - November 1, 2012 at 10:41 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Undeceived - November 2, 2012 at 1:00 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - November 2, 2012 at 1:50 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Undeceived - November 2, 2012 at 12:56 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Edwardo Piet - November 3, 2012 at 3:37 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Whateverist - November 1, 2012 at 11:30 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - November 2, 2012 at 12:15 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Whateverist - November 2, 2012 at 11:25 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - November 1, 2012 at 11:42 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Drich - November 2, 2012 at 2:13 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Welsh cake - November 1, 2012 at 11:44 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - November 2, 2012 at 5:30 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Drich - November 2, 2012 at 10:59 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Godschild - November 2, 2012 at 5:33 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by festive1 - November 2, 2012 at 12:59 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - November 2, 2012 at 1:53 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Whateverist - November 2, 2012 at 3:43 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Undeceived - November 2, 2012 at 3:56 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 2, 2012 at 4:32 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - November 2, 2012 at 10:30 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 2, 2012 at 11:07 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - November 3, 2012 at 1:51 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Undeceived - November 3, 2012 at 2:26 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - November 3, 2012 at 3:27 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Undeceived - November 3, 2012 at 1:02 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by pocaracas - November 3, 2012 at 2:56 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Cato - November 3, 2012 at 1:43 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Whateverist - November 3, 2012 at 3:35 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 3, 2012 at 7:27 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - November 3, 2012 at 11:57 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 3, 2012 at 1:28 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Minimalist - November 3, 2012 at 3:31 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 3, 2012 at 7:10 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by genkaus - November 3, 2012 at 7:44 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 3, 2012 at 9:06 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by genkaus - November 3, 2012 at 11:05 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 4, 2012 at 6:08 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by genkaus - November 4, 2012 at 8:28 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 4, 2012 at 10:08 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Minimalist - November 3, 2012 at 9:10 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 3, 2012 at 9:24 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Minimalist - November 3, 2012 at 9:28 pm
Re: Proof that God doesn't exist - by fr0d0 - November 4, 2012 at 6:25 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2012 at 6:41 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 4, 2012 at 8:09 am
Re: Proof that God doesn't exist - by fr0d0 - November 4, 2012 at 6:47 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2012 at 7:01 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2012 at 8:45 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2012 at 10:13 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 5, 2012 at 2:01 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by The Grand Nudger - November 4, 2012 at 3:12 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Welsh cake - November 4, 2012 at 4:08 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - November 4, 2012 at 9:26 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Edwardo Piet - November 5, 2012 at 5:26 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by The Grand Nudger - November 5, 2012 at 2:03 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 5, 2012 at 3:30 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by The Grand Nudger - November 5, 2012 at 3:32 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 6, 2012 at 12:28 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Darkstar - November 14, 2012 at 2:57 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Darkstar - November 14, 2012 at 3:09 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - November 5, 2012 at 8:58 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Edwardo Piet - November 6, 2012 at 5:50 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by The Grand Nudger - November 6, 2012 at 12:51 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by The Grand Nudger - November 14, 2012 at 3:16 pm

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