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Proof that God doesn't exist
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RE: Proof that God doesn't exist
(November 2, 2012 at 4:32 pm)Reasonable_Jeff Wrote: Hey guys,

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding things but it seems FallentoReason is saying that if evolution is true then the genesis 1 account of creation can't be true...then extrapolating that to mean that Christianity is false and God doesn't exist.

Not all Christians believe in special creation, so I don't believe the argument stands.

At most his argument would only show that the Bible isn't inerrant.

I was at a friend's house about 3 weeks ago to watch Prometheus, coincidentally. We've both watched like 3 times already so we were watching it with commentaries. Then something about halfway through sparked a semi-deep conversation that an hr later turned into the deepest questions about life and faith. Anyways, his dad came into the room to do something for a brief second and heard what we were talking about. He's got a masters degree in ancient Greek and theology, so I thought it would be ideal to hear his response to this very topic that we're discussing on this thread.

He began by saying that 3 months ago it clicked to him that evolution is true. He had read two books on the topic by people with PhD's in the subject and he realised that either these guys have all along been lying about the topic and know it, or they got to the level of having PhD's because the evidence was always coherent. So I thought it was good on him, and then I anxiously asked what happens with Original Sin. He simply hesitated and said "I don't know".

If someone with a masters in theology comes out empty-handed then I doubt that there's no problem with evolution like you're proposing. Think about it, what are we actually being saved from? The sins that we actually can't commit because sin never entered the world?

(November 2, 2012 at 3:56 pm)Undeceived Wrote:
(November 2, 2012 at 1:53 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: I'm a little rusty on this topic, but I believe if you add up all the energy in the universe that he willed, it adds up to zero. That implies that the universe is flat (as opposed to some other abstract shape) which means everything expanded from a singularity i.e. the Big Bang.
The way i understand it, negative energy is the conclusion an argument using the Big Bang as one of its premises. NASA: "It is unknown in physics whether negative mass or negative energy densities can exist." http://www.nasa.gov/centers/glenn/techno...paper.html
Basically, it is a theory on the level of wormholes. If you could prove that negative energy actually exists (as opposed to a mere lack of energy), you'd be proving the potential for time travel. Not to say that's not possible, but do you have any evidence for it?

Evidence for negative energy densities? That's actually the first time I've ever heard of that. I'm pretty sure the 1st law of thermodynamics states that in a closed system, i.e. the universe, the total energy is equal to zero.
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle
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Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - October 31, 2012 at 11:04 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Edwardo Piet - October 31, 2012 at 11:20 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - October 31, 2012 at 11:33 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Drich - October 31, 2012 at 11:47 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Edwardo Piet - October 31, 2012 at 11:53 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - October 31, 2012 at 12:03 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Edwardo Piet - October 31, 2012 at 12:52 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Drich - October 31, 2012 at 2:09 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Drich - October 31, 2012 at 11:30 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by The Grand Nudger - October 31, 2012 at 11:41 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Drich - October 31, 2012 at 12:00 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - October 31, 2012 at 11:54 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by ThomM - November 14, 2012 at 2:12 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by John V - October 31, 2012 at 12:40 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by The Grand Nudger - October 31, 2012 at 2:28 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Drich - October 31, 2012 at 3:32 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Undeceived - October 31, 2012 at 4:17 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by The Grand Nudger - October 31, 2012 at 6:26 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Drich - October 31, 2012 at 11:52 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - October 31, 2012 at 9:51 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Edwardo Piet - November 1, 2012 at 5:31 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Godschild - November 1, 2012 at 12:38 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Aractus - November 1, 2012 at 4:25 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by John V - November 1, 2012 at 8:09 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by The Grand Nudger - November 1, 2012 at 10:37 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - November 1, 2012 at 9:53 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Drich - November 1, 2012 at 10:41 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Undeceived - November 2, 2012 at 1:00 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - November 2, 2012 at 1:50 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Undeceived - November 2, 2012 at 12:56 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Edwardo Piet - November 3, 2012 at 3:37 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Whateverist - November 1, 2012 at 11:30 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - November 2, 2012 at 12:15 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Whateverist - November 2, 2012 at 11:25 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - November 1, 2012 at 11:42 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Drich - November 2, 2012 at 2:13 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Welsh cake - November 1, 2012 at 11:44 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - November 2, 2012 at 5:30 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Drich - November 2, 2012 at 10:59 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Godschild - November 2, 2012 at 5:33 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by festive1 - November 2, 2012 at 12:59 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - November 2, 2012 at 1:53 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Whateverist - November 2, 2012 at 3:43 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Undeceived - November 2, 2012 at 3:56 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 2, 2012 at 4:32 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - November 2, 2012 at 10:30 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 2, 2012 at 11:07 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - November 3, 2012 at 1:51 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Undeceived - November 3, 2012 at 2:26 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - November 3, 2012 at 3:27 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Undeceived - November 3, 2012 at 1:02 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by pocaracas - November 3, 2012 at 2:56 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Cato - November 3, 2012 at 1:43 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Whateverist - November 3, 2012 at 3:35 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 3, 2012 at 7:27 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - November 3, 2012 at 11:57 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 3, 2012 at 1:28 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Minimalist - November 3, 2012 at 3:31 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 3, 2012 at 7:10 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by genkaus - November 3, 2012 at 7:44 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 3, 2012 at 9:06 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by genkaus - November 3, 2012 at 11:05 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 4, 2012 at 6:08 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by genkaus - November 4, 2012 at 8:28 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 4, 2012 at 10:08 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Minimalist - November 3, 2012 at 9:10 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 3, 2012 at 9:24 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Minimalist - November 3, 2012 at 9:28 pm
Re: Proof that God doesn't exist - by fr0d0 - November 4, 2012 at 6:25 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2012 at 6:41 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 4, 2012 at 8:09 am
Re: Proof that God doesn't exist - by fr0d0 - November 4, 2012 at 6:47 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2012 at 7:01 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2012 at 8:45 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2012 at 10:13 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 5, 2012 at 2:01 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by The Grand Nudger - November 4, 2012 at 3:12 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Welsh cake - November 4, 2012 at 4:08 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - November 4, 2012 at 9:26 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Edwardo Piet - November 5, 2012 at 5:26 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by The Grand Nudger - November 5, 2012 at 2:03 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 5, 2012 at 3:30 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by The Grand Nudger - November 5, 2012 at 3:32 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 6, 2012 at 12:28 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Darkstar - November 14, 2012 at 2:57 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Darkstar - November 14, 2012 at 3:09 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - November 5, 2012 at 8:58 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Edwardo Piet - November 6, 2012 at 5:50 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by The Grand Nudger - November 6, 2012 at 12:51 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by The Grand Nudger - November 14, 2012 at 3:16 pm

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