Which Comes First?

[Edwardo Piet]

Anyone at any point could sincerely believe.

I can't.

I could say I believe but I'd be lying if I did.

Me neither. Belief is never voluntary. I don't know whether we'd ever be able to survive as a species if it was. How would that even work?

If I really wanted to not believe something or to believe something, that won't have any effect on whether I do or not. Whether I do or not is not a matter of choice.

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Genuine prayers are answered? Ha! That's called the No True Scotsman fallacy.

Something fr0d0 should be all too well familiar with by now. Oh well.

Good post btw.

What strange logic you work with Eilonnwy. You think asking for something impractical or unrealistic is acceptable or somehow ok? And you want evidence for my position on that!?!

Aren't things that are impractical and unrealistic, the things that if anything, rationally require the most evidence, if you are to rationally believe in them?

@ E [Elionnwy]:
You deny the non scientific. I don't. Logic would suggest that science doesn't answer every question in human understanding. I've already shown why scientific tests would not show anything. You haven't countered that just repeated your statement. Maybe you don't understand how God answers.

The scientific actually has support. If God has no scientific support, that doesn't automatically has some other form of support. Unlike your God, science actually has support. I am yet to see you give God any support, you have merely went on about how the ridiculous of the idea of God makes it ridiculous to require scientific support for him...but whether that is true or not, whether he can have scientific support or not, why should you believe in him without any support? Will you ever substantiate your God claim(s)?

Maybe God exists but we don't understand how he answers. But also, maybe it's more rational to not assume there's a God in the first place, and the reason why there's no answer, is because he doesn't exist.

You can't have scientific data. You can test.

You have my undivided attention. Outline the method of testing.

Good point Luke.

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