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Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'?
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RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'?
Coxrox, everything we know about the universe is natural. And it all comes about through natural laws. God is supernatural therefore he goes completely against the laws of the universe as there is no evidence of him (or anything supernatural). If he is within the universe and he has no superpowers and he is also very simple indeed, thats no problem. But thats not God, what you're talking about there is probably the big-bang singularity or something similar, which isn't God at all.
Its like Steven Weinberg says, and I paraphrase 'if you say God is energy then you can find God in a lump of Coal. But then what would that mean? God then loses all his meaning. So you might as well say that its a lump of coal.'
And the theist or deist God is more complex than what he tries to explain. Creating the universe like the deist God does and setting up the laws, he would have to be far far more complex than the universe and the laws themselves. Therefore the deist God is very improbable. And of course the theist God does a lot more than that, whether he is Yahweh or Allah, so then he's even more improbable.
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Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - October 29, 2008 at 5:35 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Jason Jarred - October 29, 2008 at 6:12 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - October 30, 2008 at 4:36 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by leo-rcc - October 30, 2008 at 5:29 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by allan175 - October 30, 2008 at 5:36 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - October 30, 2008 at 8:11 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by allan175 - October 30, 2008 at 8:35 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - October 30, 2008 at 8:46 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by leo-rcc - October 30, 2008 at 9:34 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - October 30, 2008 at 10:08 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by leo-rcc - October 30, 2008 at 10:36 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - October 30, 2008 at 5:34 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - October 30, 2008 at 3:40 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Tiberius - October 30, 2008 at 5:26 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 2, 2008 at 5:50 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by allan175 - November 3, 2008 at 5:10 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - October 31, 2008 at 3:28 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by allan175 - October 31, 2008 at 6:03 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - October 31, 2008 at 7:54 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - October 31, 2008 at 12:50 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - October 31, 2008 at 1:46 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by bozo - October 31, 2008 at 5:07 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 1, 2008 at 9:49 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by leo-rcc - November 1, 2008 at 4:05 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Daystar - November 2, 2008 at 5:59 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 3, 2008 at 8:01 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Kyuuketsuki - November 3, 2008 at 9:56 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 3, 2008 at 10:23 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Kyuuketsuki - November 5, 2008 at 5:51 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 5, 2008 at 11:02 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Kyuuketsuki - November 7, 2008 at 9:29 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by leo-rcc - November 2, 2008 at 7:27 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 3, 2008 at 3:42 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Daystar - November 3, 2008 at 10:48 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 3, 2008 at 11:22 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Daystar - November 3, 2008 at 12:12 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 3, 2008 at 12:16 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 3, 2008 at 12:32 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by leo-rcc - November 3, 2008 at 6:24 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Tiberius - November 3, 2008 at 1:12 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 3, 2008 at 1:18 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 4, 2008 at 5:29 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Darwinian - November 5, 2008 at 3:28 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 5, 2008 at 4:18 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Darwinian - November 5, 2008 at 5:15 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 5, 2008 at 5:13 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Darwinian - November 5, 2008 at 6:23 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 5, 2008 at 7:55 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 6, 2008 at 9:14 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by chatpilot - November 6, 2008 at 11:55 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Daystar - November 6, 2008 at 12:14 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by leo-rcc - November 6, 2008 at 1:16 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Daystar - November 6, 2008 at 8:23 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Jason Jarred - November 6, 2008 at 9:05 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Kyuuketsuki - November 7, 2008 at 9:56 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Jason Jarred - November 6, 2008 at 6:12 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Daystar - November 6, 2008 at 7:59 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by bozo - November 6, 2008 at 8:15 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Kyuuketsuki - November 7, 2008 at 9:35 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 7, 2008 at 9:46 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 6, 2008 at 1:37 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Tiberius - November 6, 2008 at 8:50 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Daystar - November 6, 2008 at 9:44 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by allan175 - November 7, 2008 at 5:06 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Kyuuketsuki - November 7, 2008 at 10:03 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Jason Jarred - November 8, 2008 at 3:35 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Daystar - November 8, 2008 at 10:54 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Tiberius - November 7, 2008 at 4:12 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 7, 2008 at 8:11 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 7, 2008 at 9:31 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 7, 2008 at 10:00 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Tiberius - November 7, 2008 at 10:03 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 7, 2008 at 10:04 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by allan175 - November 7, 2008 at 10:16 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by bozo - November 8, 2008 at 4:22 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Darwinian - November 7, 2008 at 10:07 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by chatpilot - November 7, 2008 at 11:17 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 7, 2008 at 3:34 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 7, 2008 at 4:01 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Darwinian - November 7, 2008 at 4:53 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 7, 2008 at 5:51 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 8, 2008 at 9:51 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 8, 2008 at 12:28 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 8, 2008 at 2:26 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 8, 2008 at 3:35 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Tiberius - November 8, 2008 at 2:51 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 8, 2008 at 3:06 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 8, 2008 at 3:09 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 8, 2008 at 3:16 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 8, 2008 at 3:26 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Darwinian - November 8, 2008 at 4:17 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 8, 2008 at 3:46 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 8, 2008 at 3:49 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 8, 2008 at 4:02 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 8, 2008 at 4:11 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 8, 2008 at 4:21 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Darwinian - November 8, 2008 at 4:24 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 8, 2008 at 4:23 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 8, 2008 at 4:30 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Darwinian - November 8, 2008 at 4:44 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 8, 2008 at 4:52 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 8, 2008 at 4:56 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 8, 2008 at 4:58 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Tiberius - November 8, 2008 at 5:04 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 8, 2008 at 5:07 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 8, 2008 at 5:17 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 8, 2008 at 5:34 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 9, 2008 at 1:26 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 9, 2008 at 2:57 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by allan175 - November 10, 2008 at 5:42 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 9, 2008 at 9:54 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 10, 2008 at 3:47 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 10, 2008 at 9:05 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by allan175 - November 10, 2008 at 9:18 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 10, 2008 at 1:00 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 11, 2008 at 7:08 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 11, 2008 at 1:03 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 11, 2008 at 3:36 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 13, 2008 at 10:42 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by leo-rcc - November 13, 2008 at 11:19 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 13, 2008 at 12:34 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by chatpilot - November 14, 2008 at 11:06 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 14, 2008 at 11:48 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by allan175 - November 14, 2008 at 11:55 am
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by CoxRox - November 14, 2008 at 3:23 pm
RE: Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'? - by Edwardo Piet - November 14, 2008 at 7:41 pm

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