RE: Zimmerman verdict: Not Guilty.
July 18, 2013 at 6:41 pm
(This post was last modified: July 18, 2013 at 6:42 pm by smax.)
[quote='Rahul' pid='479832' dateline='1374184233']
[quote]So you would have just attacked the dude?[/quote]
How did you come up with that?
[quote]He wasn't that big of a guy. Both my friend and I were bigger than him and he was alone. Also he didn't have the gun on him yet. In that case Trayvon and his "homie" would have beaten the guy senseless.[/quote]
All of this is irrelevant. I'm talking about civilized society here, and how people should act in one.
In a civilized society, you don't take a territorial approach to others when you don't own the territory, and you don't play cop when you aren't one.
[quote]I just don't happen to be a thug.[/quote]
But you don't mind being treated like one?
[quote]No shit?
*rolls eyes* I think you could have left this paragraph out.[/quote]
And ignore the Marshall Law-like Society you are proposing?
I think not.
[quote]Yep. So? Regardless, he didn't threaten to kill anyone.[/quote]
I disagree. If someone threatens to shoot me, stab me, run me over, blow me up, etc., etc., I will take their threats as a deadly one.
And, I strongly suspect that I'm in the majority with that position.
[quote]Nope. The guy was a crazy, violent redneck. I try to avoid those types.[/quote]
Well, make up your mind, was the guy justified to question you or not?
[quote]Yeah he didn't. He learned the hard way that when you act like Mr Violent Thug sometimes you don't get to grow old.[/quote]
He's gone now so it really isn't about what "he" learned. But, he did leave behind a society that must cope with the fallout of the events that led to his death.
If we simply accept that his executioner was "justified" to take the law into his own hands, then we invite social developments that simply do not work.
If history has proven anything, it is that people do not like other people, who are just like them, to be too involved in their business. Such social practices have led to many conflicts throughout human history.
Zimmerman crossed that line when he decided to question another individual without the proper authority to do so.
[quote]Here a couple years back these twin brothers were at a bar, were drunk, and started fucking with these two guys. Knocking beers out of their hands and acting like shit bastards. It breaks out in a full on fight. They kick them out. The twins go out back, the friends go out front. One of the two friends checks for his wallet and it's gone. He assumes one of the twins took it. So he ran around back to confront them. The twins grab him, throw him on the ground, savagely pound on him, and then start kicking the shit out of him.
His buddy comes around back, sees these two guys stomping on his prone friend. So the buddy takes out his pocket knife, rushes them, and puts both the twins in the hospital. One went to the emergency room, the other to the morgue.
Courts ruled that the twins were at fault because they were stomping the guy's buddy, who was laying on the ground, all to shit. The guy had a reasonable expectation that his friend was going to be killed.
It sucks that one of those twins died, right? But when you act aggressively to another person you are ALWAYS running the risk of potential death.
Trayvon thought he was a little 17 year old badass. Those guys die every day. Trayvon isn't special.[/quote]
You are making the mistake of assuming that I am picking a side here. I'm not.
Both Trayvon and Zimmerman made mistakes here. Problem is, Zimmerman isn't being held accountable for his mistake, and that sends a terrible message to the rest of the world.
[quote]So you would have just attacked the dude?[/quote]
How did you come up with that?
[quote]He wasn't that big of a guy. Both my friend and I were bigger than him and he was alone. Also he didn't have the gun on him yet. In that case Trayvon and his "homie" would have beaten the guy senseless.[/quote]
All of this is irrelevant. I'm talking about civilized society here, and how people should act in one.
In a civilized society, you don't take a territorial approach to others when you don't own the territory, and you don't play cop when you aren't one.
[quote]I just don't happen to be a thug.[/quote]
But you don't mind being treated like one?
[quote]No shit?
*rolls eyes* I think you could have left this paragraph out.[/quote]
And ignore the Marshall Law-like Society you are proposing?
I think not.
[quote]Yep. So? Regardless, he didn't threaten to kill anyone.[/quote]
I disagree. If someone threatens to shoot me, stab me, run me over, blow me up, etc., etc., I will take their threats as a deadly one.
And, I strongly suspect that I'm in the majority with that position.
[quote]Nope. The guy was a crazy, violent redneck. I try to avoid those types.[/quote]
Well, make up your mind, was the guy justified to question you or not?
[quote]Yeah he didn't. He learned the hard way that when you act like Mr Violent Thug sometimes you don't get to grow old.[/quote]
He's gone now so it really isn't about what "he" learned. But, he did leave behind a society that must cope with the fallout of the events that led to his death.
If we simply accept that his executioner was "justified" to take the law into his own hands, then we invite social developments that simply do not work.
If history has proven anything, it is that people do not like other people, who are just like them, to be too involved in their business. Such social practices have led to many conflicts throughout human history.
Zimmerman crossed that line when he decided to question another individual without the proper authority to do so.
[quote]Here a couple years back these twin brothers were at a bar, were drunk, and started fucking with these two guys. Knocking beers out of their hands and acting like shit bastards. It breaks out in a full on fight. They kick them out. The twins go out back, the friends go out front. One of the two friends checks for his wallet and it's gone. He assumes one of the twins took it. So he ran around back to confront them. The twins grab him, throw him on the ground, savagely pound on him, and then start kicking the shit out of him.
His buddy comes around back, sees these two guys stomping on his prone friend. So the buddy takes out his pocket knife, rushes them, and puts both the twins in the hospital. One went to the emergency room, the other to the morgue.
Courts ruled that the twins were at fault because they were stomping the guy's buddy, who was laying on the ground, all to shit. The guy had a reasonable expectation that his friend was going to be killed.
It sucks that one of those twins died, right? But when you act aggressively to another person you are ALWAYS running the risk of potential death.
Trayvon thought he was a little 17 year old badass. Those guys die every day. Trayvon isn't special.[/quote]
You are making the mistake of assuming that I am picking a side here. I'm not.
Both Trayvon and Zimmerman made mistakes here. Problem is, Zimmerman isn't being held accountable for his mistake, and that sends a terrible message to the rest of the world.