RE: Zimmerman verdict: Not Guilty.
July 18, 2013 at 11:16 pm
(This post was last modified: July 19, 2013 at 12:00 am by Drich.)
(July 14, 2013 at 10:35 am)Psykhronic Wrote:I live about 15 minutes from where all of this went down and I have a conceal weapon carry permit. In this state stand your ground simply says if you feel your life is threatened, the life of another is threatened, in a place where you legally have a right to be then you can shoot to kill an aggressor. When treyvon turn on George, and started the ground and pound, (a litteral mixed martial arts move) treyvon forfeited his life to George.(July 14, 2013 at 10:22 am)NoraBrimstone Wrote: Manslaughter wouldn't really make much sense, considering he had a gun. If he went after him with a gun, he obviously had some intention to shoot the kid right from the off. That makes it premeditated murder.
He had a gun because of how seriously he took his position as a neighborhood watch dude, and it's America - people walk around armed. You can shoot someone in Florida with the stand your ground law and I do not believe it states the "attacker" has to be armed as well. Not saying it's right, but that's what the jury was dealing with.
That is why he was found not guilty. No one in this state has the right to beat another person past the point where he can defend himself just because he is being followed. George was past that point when he was heard screaming for help. To which no one responded. That is why we have that law. (Not stand your ground as it does not pertain to this situation as treyvon was in a full mounted position pounding George's face in and smashing his skull into the street. In essence he had no where to go. This was a standard self defense case as He was backed into a situation with no way out except through treyvon's mercy which was nonexistent because again George was heard screaming for help and treyvon escalated his assault by smashing his head into the pavement.) George did what anyone would have done if placed on the ground with a man beating the life out of them, who would not stop and with no other help to be found.
(July 18, 2013 at 1:58 am)smax Wrote: I'm much more disappointed in Florida law than I am Zimmerman, although I'm certainly very disappointed with him.That's kinda what the neighborhood watch is smoothie, it's elected neighbors who have been voted by a given neighborhood to play cop for them without any pay. They check doors and generally look out for things or people who do not belong, then report them. George was elected for his community. He was doing what his neighbors wanted him to do.
Zimmerman is not a cop, and had no business confronting ANYONE about ANYTHING. In the very least, he should have been punished for that.
As a member of the Neighborhood Watch, Zimmerman needed only report suspicious behaviour and then leave it to the authorities to take the appropriate course of action. Because he played cop, instead, a confrontation developed and a man lost his life.
Florida's legal system failed to do something about that, and because of that, it's obviously in need of serious reform.
That does not give anyone else the right to beat him mercilessly because they physically can.
(July 18, 2013 at 1:58 am)smax Wrote: I'm much more disappointed in Florida law than I am Zimmerman, although I'm certainly very disappointed with him.That's kinda what the neighborhood watch is smoothie, it's elected neighbors who have been voted by a given neighborhood to play cop for them without any pay. They check doors and generally look out for things or people who do not belong, then report them. George was elected for his community. He was doing what his neighbors wanted him to do.
Zimmerman is not a cop, and had no business confronting ANYONE about ANYTHING. In the very least, he should have been punished for that.
As a member of the Neighborhood Watch, Zimmerman needed only report suspicious behaviour and then leave it to the authorities to take the appropriate course of action. Because he played cop, instead, a confrontation developed and a man lost his life.
Florida's legal system failed to do something about that, and because of that, it's obviously in need of serious reform.
That does not give anyone else the right to beat him mercilessly because they physically can.
(July 18, 2013 at 12:59 pm)smax Wrote:(July 18, 2013 at 12:43 pm)Rahul Wrote: I don't mind my neighbors asking me questions. We're a friendly bunch down here in Texas for the most part. I chat frequently with most of my neighbors. And I wave at all of them when I see them.
No matter what though, even if a stranger walked up to me and barked at me, the LAST thing I'm going to do is physically assault them.
I don't know about Florida, but I live in Texas. Assaulting strangers before you make sure they aren't carrying a concealed weapon is very likely to be a death sentence on the attacker.
Whether or not the guy bothering you is the neighborhood watch.
I doubt very much that you would like it if a perfect stranger came up to you and started asking questions and treating you as if you are a likely suspect in a crime.
If you are okay with that, more power to you.
Personally, I don't like people assuming I have bad intentions, and I like being questioned along those lines even less. However, if it's a police officer, I'll accept that he has a job to do.
All treyvon's had to do is leave. Pride is what made him 'stand his ground' and attack George.
(July 18, 2013 at 3:30 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: I have no problem with him defending himself against a possible deadly assault (getting his head rammed into the concrete). The only thing I have a problem with is Zimmerman putting himself into that situation in the first place. While it wasn't illegal to follow Martin or even confront him as to his actions, it probably wasn't the smartest thing to do. But even then, there was and is no reason to throw him in jail. The only reason at all this ever went to trial was because of political pressure.
When this first happened he was questioned and released. It wasn't till the NAACP got involve did the sand ford police chief was made to retire and George got arrested.
One other quick thing that has already been said, George is not white. He is of a mixed race. Is tiger woods Thai? Is Obama white? I am also of a mixed race and do get angry when I am lumped in with Koreans or with whites. Because growing up in this area neither Koreans nor white people would see me or accept me as Korean nor white. I was reminded my whole life that I was neither by both sides, and if George grew up 20 mins from me then I am sure he was reminded of that as well.
The only time I was categorized as being one or the other was when someone I knew wanted to disparage the other race. That is what real racism is. It is over looking the indivisual to classify him/her in a negative way so as to present their own race or racial views is a better light.
The real racists are the assholes who see Obama and tiger as black or George or myself as white or Hispanic even after they were informed of our biracial nature, just so they can identify or easily prove a point.
