(November 19, 2013 at 11:10 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:Do you think I'm denying that freedom of speech is being blotted out by political correctness? Of course it is. I think you are mixing up liberalism & "progressivism". A liberal is someone who supports individual liberty & will defend your right to say something, even if they strongly disagree with it. The problem is "progressives", who cry racism every time someone criticizes Islam. Outspoken "progressive" George Galloway even publicly called for an alliance of "progressives" & Muslims. Muslims are trying to take over so they can build Eurabia!(November 19, 2013 at 10:46 pm)MarxRaptor Wrote: You sound like Mao blaming everything on liberals. I, myself, draw much influence from right-wing liberal populism, especially Dutch right-wing liberalism, such as that of Pim Fortuyn & Geert Wilders. Do you even know what liberalism is? JFK defined liberal as "someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions".Well, since they are the supporters of the celebrate diversity thing, I guess its them who should be blamed for it.
Also, I am a cultural-internationalist. Your Muslims ought to stop living like pigs & enter the 21st century. You should accept or be forced to accept liberal Western values. Is this not what your nationalist leader Mustafa Kemal Atatürk did when he banned Sharia law & enforced writing in Latin script?
The irony is that you say that the Europeans are hostile towards immigrants, when in reality Europe has been far too welcoming. Now Muslims are trying to take over.
Besides, right-wing liberalism, which is probably a poltiical stance based on reaction, not on idealism, is something that has a lifespan only as long as there are immigrants, especially muslims in Europe. It really leads to nowhere. Their whole political platform is built on anti-immigration policies, with nothing else. If anti-immigration has its roots in nationalism, it means something, else, not.
And I do know what liberalism is, it was something else in the past, but its something else today. The liberals of the past were not exactly the rootless cosmopolitants we know of today. They had ideals, and many were also part of nationalistic movements. For example, Turkish nationalism has been created by Jadidist progressives, who could be termed "liberals". However they were nothing like the liberals of today, who use the term to denote excessive individualism, and excessive individual liberties with no regard to tradition, culture and society.
Their concepts of freedom and liberty were romantic concepts, mostly associated with independence and sovereinity of their nations, and not with the degeneracy we see around the globe today that liberals support.
Besides, I'm not an internationalist, especially not an ummah-sympathisant, so I really do not care if the other muslims live like pigs, though I'm sure that a many of them lead better lives than you do, especially in oil rich countries like the UAE, Qatar, Dubai and Saudi Arabia, and the rest are already locked in civil strife which has been initiated by the west.
Besides, you cannot force anyone to accept anything, you have no power to do so. No one wants your liberalism. Neither did our founding father, Mustafa Kemal Atatürk. He didn't ban the Sharia, a certain Sultan named Murad II. did. At that point, he only brought modern values that already existed in urban regions to rural areas.
He did so in order to allow every member of the nation to properly participate in the revival of the nation, as the said ummah mentality existed before the nationalistic values based on the Turkish ethnic identiy were proclaimed to be the leading values, as the values regarding the ummah lost their relevance after we lost our territories in Arabia.
Well, the Europeans have only recently begun showing hostility due to the fact that the liberals have been pushing the whole stuff about cultural diversity only recently. It didn't exist during the cold war era, because back then, the liberals of today were on the same side as the commies. The liberals of back then were anti-communistic in their stance. And muslims taking over? Tell me, where are the multitude of muslim intellectuals that have a sway over your universities? Where are the wealthy muslim bankers that control your economy? Where are the muslim media moguls that control your minds? Where are the muslim politicians that affect your internal affairs?
Where are the muslim actors, the artists, the musicians?
You are really deluded to claim that muslims in Europe actually rule anything. It is the liberals and the merchants who have taken over, and whenever you say anything, you're branded as a bigot.
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