MERGED: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Part 1) & (Part 2)

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However, I (and others here) am willing to grant you the possibility of that existence and work from there.

The vast majority of historians also grant that possibility, so you (and others here) are in good company.

The possibility... never forget that it's not established that such a man existed for real.

There are, however, competing gospels... like the gnostic gospels... or just all the apocryphal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Testament_apocrypha.
I'm sure you've studied them all thoroughly and have your reasons to dismiss each and every one, except for the canonical ones.

Those Gospels were written much, much later.

yeah.... so?

Also, we have the dead sea scrolls... which reveal something about those times... like The Teacher of Righteousness!!
Hmmm.... a teacher, knowledgeable of the scriptures, a "counselor to the king", "dissatisfied with the religious sects in Jerusalem, and in reaction, founded a "crisis cult". While amassing a following, the Teacher (and his followers) claimed he was the fulfillment of various Biblical prophecies, with an emphasis on those found in Isaiah. The Teacher was eventually killed by the religious leadership in Jerusalem, and his followers hailed him as messianic figure who had been exalted to the presence of God's throne."

Sounds familiar?

The Dead Sea Scrolls is about Jewish stuff...the New Testament is about Christian stuff.

derp... christian stuff is jewish stuff.
You ever seen the acronym INRI?
What does the last I stand for, huh?
I was showing you a story already in circulation about 100 years before J.C.'s alleged birth... a story which shares way too many details with the J.C. myth. One more ember in the fire that destroys the credibility of those eyewitnesses still alive after the year 60AD.

Possibly because they were obviously not written by any of the apostles themselves " and jesus did this miracle and all the apostles were amazed"... clearly a 3rd person account.... so a friendly 3rd person must be manufactured... a friend of the apostles, a disciple of an apostle, a meeting with one of the apostles...

First off, what do you mean "obviously"...it isn't obvious to me...

I know... that is why you believe in the fairy tale and I don't.

second, as mentioned previously, Luke said that the story was passed down from eyewitnesses. If the story that Luke told was passed down from eyewitnesses, then it doesn't matter who wrote the story, as long as the source of the story comes from eyewitnesses.

Could Luke... *gasp*... be lying about that?
A Lie that, if believed, would boost the credibility of the remainder of the story.... worth a shot... and see where it's brought him!

Think about it.... Harry Potter lived in London, he visited the London Zoo, he went on the train to school from Paddington train station...
All this written by someone who obviously knew Harry and his environment.
Blimey! Wizards exist! There is a ministry of magic in the UK and in several other countries! There are evil people with magical powers!
We're doomed!!!!!

Fallacy of comparing apples and oranges.

It's an analogy... I thought you people liked analogies...

"real"... you keep using that word...

Jesus of Nazareth was as real as any other person in antiquity.

ah... of course... yes... you keep telling yourself that.

You see... there was this teacher... he taught people... people listened... some wrote it down to remember it better.
The teachings got handed down... the name of the teacher morphed a bit.

For a moment there, I thought you were a Christian all the way up until that last part.

I would much easier believe the story of the Teacher of Righteousness, than J.C.