RE: Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God
January 7, 2015 at 9:57 pm
(This post was last modified: January 7, 2015 at 10:51 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(January 7, 2015 at 4:35 pm)orangebox21 Wrote: According to Biblical record:The biblical narrative.
Quote:Did people in the OT see God face to face?Yes -and also- no. (This narrative irregularity is actually very easy to resolve but for a couple of moments when god whisks folks off deathless, btw - even then...the language of the whisking is such that it can be written off itself -as- a contradiction)
Quote:Did people see Jesus face to face?Yup.
Quote:Is Jesus God?Nope.
Quote:Did therefore people who saw Jesus see God face to face?Nope.
Quote:Did everyone who saw Jesus face to face believe in God?The narrative doesn't make it clear whether or not everyone the character interacts with believed in a god. I doubt that the question occurred to the authors.
Quote:Did therefore some people see God and yet not believe in Him?Nope.
I'll stress again, you're reducing your beliefs to a play on words when you try to make the statement that you've made. If you'd started the questioning off with "According to my sects christology" rather than "according to the bible" some of my answers would be different, except for the last one. No matter how you cut it, those who don't see god in jesus don't believe jesus is god, even if they already believe in god (jews, roman pagans, etc). You think they should have. For you, seeing god and seeing jesus are one in the same, but this is a statement of your beliefs, not some logical maxim that can be relied upon to yield true conclusions, not "the biblical position", and certainly not the position of the character of jesus in the narrative (amusingly, neither you nor I trust what jesus says about himself in the narrative - we both have our own takes). Everyone in the narrative who sees god believes in god, full stop. Some of the people in the narrative just don't see god when they look at jesus.
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