RE: Scientific Debate: Why I assert that Darwin's theory of evolution is fals
November 9, 2014 at 8:48 am
(November 6, 2014 at 12:44 pm)whateverist Wrote:(November 6, 2014 at 12:38 am)Rob216 Wrote: Well I'm not sure that I understand why so many theists would assume to know so much about god but if I had to guess I'd say that they are trying to rationalize a presence that they don't completely understand by trying to anthropomorphize it. If this presence or god has a face, a voice, and a physical body then they can give attributes to it. You hear it all the time: The hand of god, the voice of god, etc...
To address you question about about gives me my concept of god (It's sort of a long story but I'll try to shorten it by sparing some of the details but feel free to ask questions if you want to know more): I had something happen to me that made me believe in the the omnipotence of god. I was burned badly on my left hand and face (the burns on my hand was much more significant though). The burns were looked at and treated. After about 6 weeks I burned the area on my hand that was already burned. If anybody has ever had 2nd or 3rd degree burns you already know how unbearable it is, now add another burn on top of the already burnt skin. In a moment of desperation I yelled something like "God, if you're real then make it stop!". In that instance the pain went away. 2 days later the burn healed completely. I have no scars or nerve damage. When this was all happening I considered myself an atheist, but trust me if you are in enough pain you will say or do anything to get it to stop. So yea, that was my turning point.
You may not believe my story but there are 3 parts of it that I can prove. First, I have pictures of the burn that I had on my hand. Secondly, I have the paperwork from the hospital saying that I was treated for it. Lastly, I could show you my hand and you'd never know that it was burned if I hadn't already told you.
May I pick a nit? I think I can understand how you would find that convincing. But then why don't you just believe in a god powerful enough to allow you to block out the feeling of pain and perhaps facilitate a good recovery? Also, do you conceptualize god as being 'out there', or would something on-board suffice for you? Your experience in particular would seem to be covered by the on-board variety.
Are you agnostic then regarding any creator role for the god you believe in? What do you think the prospects are for our essential immortality. I'm just wondering how your specific experience regarding heeling and the perception of pain supports any other supposed attribute of god. Hope I'm not prying too much.
In regards to the creator role I suppose that I could be considered agnostic. I'm open to a lot of possibilities. I'm curious as to why nobody has ever considered that God started out as a presence meant to preserve the balance of the universe (natural laws) and over time acquired consciousness. Just a possibility that I'm considering. I'd say that I'm not certain on my position of immortality as well. I know that the default example that comes to mind when people talk about immortality is heaven, but I think that Christians get their perception more from Dante Alighieri's Divine Comedy than they do from the bible. Non theist religions like Buddhism think that our consciousness is carried on to a different life after death, and some philosophers have said that our consciousness could reside outside of our physical body. Again, I'd say that I'm just open to the possibilities.
As far as giving attributes to god based on my own experience I think I already touched on why I believe in omnipotence. Omnipresence would have to be possible unless God just happened to be there at the exact time that the indecent occurred but I can't imagine that I could make an argument that at that particular moment that I was so important at that moment that I had God's full attention.
Couple of things:
"But then why don't you just believe in a god powerful enough to allow you to block out the feeling of pain and perhaps facilitate a good recovery?"
Are you asking me why I don't think an all-powerful god wouldn't just give us the power to control how much pain we feel?
I'm not sure what you mean by "on board variety" so you'll have to explain