(January 5, 2009 at 10:49 pm)FutureAndAHope Wrote:So you think that God is more probable than that being a coincidence? Certainly not. God is more complex and improbable than the universe itself.(January 5, 2009 at 3:35 pm)bozo Wrote: As to what divine guidance you say you receive, let's just say I think you are deluded.
I'm not sure you undestood my example but it was certainly not delusion. I was wondering if I should sue someone, I prayed about it, opened up my bible randomly selected a verse by sticking my finger on it, and it was the only verse in the whole bible on law suits, and it said "It is wrong for you to take out law suits against one another". How many verses are there in the whole bible 100,000's at least. You are deluded if you attribute that to anything other than God.
God is practically infinitely improbable. It could land on that verse billions of times and its still not as improbable as God.
And it doesn't even point to God anyway! How could that not be proof of Zeus or the FSM just as easily?
Even the truth of that one verse would not confirm the truth of the rest of the bible. Especially with all the contradictions!
How do you know it wasn't Zeus or the FSM that inspired the writings of the bible? Or (or and/or) that God is a liar?
Or that God prefers atheists over believers?
A verse in the bible does not prove God.
God saying he exists in the bible. And then even if every single time you landed on that verse you mentioned. How on earth would that prove that God exists? Or if he exists (and in practice he just doesn't) - that he was telling the truth?
God is extremely improbable and he almost certainly doesn't exist. Its more probable for the universe to come out of nowhere than God to be there right from the start! If you need God to explain the universe (when the explanation he 'gives' causes much more of a problem than an explanation) why on earth don't you need something to explain God?
How do you decide that God doesn't need an explanation but everything else does? You decide - oh well God explains himself?
Yet you wouldn't (and rightly you wouldn't) say the universe explains itself would you? So why on earth do you make an exception for God?
Next you'll be telling me the bible interprets itself.
evf