RE: Christianity and the 10 Commandments
February 21, 2012 at 8:32 am
(This post was last modified: February 21, 2012 at 8:41 am by NoMoreFaith.)
Quote:Again an absolute statement can easily be proven wrong with a single exception. Many scientists with a PHD in the field reject those theories and they know more about it that you do. Im sure you already know of some examples. Be careful when using words like all, any, and every.
Be careful when using words like many. Especially when phrasing in context to be deceptive. You're now using a vague term like "Many" to indicate a large number, when in fact the word Many is only relevant if you put them all in the same room without reference to the total number.
Its a very small proportion. Are you proposing that because a small minority do not support the theory, it is therefore false?
A variety of studies, including Gallup polls, puts scientists (in general, not biologists, so some ignorance can be forgiven) as 95% behind evolution through natural selection. A study by CSI (a skeptical organisation admittedly) puts biologists at around 97.3% based on a survey (perfectly open to criticism of course, only 73 out of 160 or so responded, small sample size really). These are actually lower than most people would expect all things considered, but these are the reasons that nobody cares that a very small proportion do not support the theory.
"Taking into account only those working in the relevant fields of earth and life sciences, there are about 480,000 scientists, but only about 700 believe in "creation-science" or consider it a valid theory (Robinson 1995)"
More interestingly, in the interests of fairness, I tried to find some creationist polls, but they seem curiously absent. Plenty of lists naming some scientists who do not believe in it. Couldn't find one that would post some numbers.. you know.
So the statement, is not "many scientists with a Phd reject those theories", but rather "the vast majority of scientists with a Phd support these theories".
Its all in the wording isn't it. Your way made it seem kinder to the vast minority.
Now, thats not to say the minority can't be right. Far from it. Science is always willing to admit when they have it wrong. However, it is down to personal opinion, rather than science that views differ, creationism has produced very little evidence for its case (I'm being kind by saying it has any btw), so it cannot be termed a science. Its main source for peer-reviewed articles consist far more frequently in faith journals than in science journals. I can't even think of many that even exist in the science journal.
Maybe its a conspiracy. We love that. Scientists have found evidence we don't like, or won't publish our views, so clearly its a conspiracy against me. Of course.
Creationist pseudo-science isn't willing to admit it is wrong, because it is caught up with religion, which cannot exist by being wrong.
Also to be fair, I couldn't find many cases of scientists rejecting both creationism and evolution. Maybe you'll have better luck.
So, the one question at the end of this;
"Many scientists with a PHD in the field reject those theories"
Is this phrase of yours intentionally misleading or unintentionally ignorant.
That may come across as a little offensive, so if you want to suggest an alternative name, feel free.
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If you’re going to watch tele, you should watch Scooby Doo. That show was so cool because every time there’s a church with a ghoul, or a ghost in a school. They looked beneath the mask and what was inside?
The f**king janitor or the dude who runs the waterslide. Throughout history every mystery. Ever solved has turned out to be. Not Magic. ― Tim Minchin, Storm