RE: I can feel your anger
July 6, 2012 at 11:11 am
(This post was last modified: July 6, 2012 at 11:14 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(July 6, 2012 at 11:00 am)CliveStaples Wrote: Right, I'm trying to get at the difference between "happens to be X" and "is motivated by X". Since the key distinction we're talking about is theism vs. atheism, I'm trying to get a definition we can agree on, because I think we're not really talking about the same thing right now.
You keep giving examples of that difference as it applies to justification.
Quote:Kinda. I think of what I would object to if I was on the other side of the argument, and then I try to include and address that in case it's what you were thinking of too. It can help speed things along.
[quote]
You said this:
Yes, Clive, "god told me to" is a result of "at least one god exists"...there's really no way to spin this....
That is, you're claiming the belief "god told me to" is a result of the belief "at least one god exists". Which means that you can derive "god told me to" from "at least one god exists".
Now, I really don't see how that could be done. Can you show me the proof?
Why would I require proof of that, and if I had proof to offer do you imagine that I would be an atheist? Bait...and...switch. I don't derive anything from "at least one god exists", but your hypothetical Mr A certainly did. Can god tell you to do something if god doesn't exist Clive? If you believe god has told you to do something............what other belief absolutely must be necessary?
Quote:My guess is that you might finally be trying to understand what I'm saying, instead of just taking the worst interpretation possible. =D
Both your guess and appraisal of the situation would be wrong.
Quote:Where did I give those steps? Remember the criteria they must follow:
1. Each step must be valid.
2. The result must be that theism is responsible for A's behavior.
3. The result must be that atheism is not responsible for B's behavior.
Now, I don't remember ever offering these steps. Could you link to where you remember me giving them?
Howsabout you reread your own posts?
Quote:Yes, that system is theist as well. "Theist" doesn't mean "true"--and neither does "Atheist". Remember, Theist and Atheist are merely classes of belief systems in my formulation.
Glad we agree. Now, would you say that theism was responsible for keeping people from killing in your system?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
