I can feel your anger

[Selliedjoup]

Oh it isn't, so if I were to suggest that life may exist on Mars, there are no claims to knowledge there, I would not have to provide any justification or observations for this, it just gets to hang out in the wind, on my word, and nothing else?
(and yes, I understand that this seems perfectly fine when you decide to suggest something, when you make claims, imply this or that- but it's clear that you don't extend this courtesy to others)
Nah.

I'm also highly amused at this narrative you seem to be creating for yourself where the immaterial wasn't considered, where it wasn't pursued. It is the result of that consideration, the completely empty list of the spoils of that pursuit that lead us to materialism in the here and now.

You decided that observations had to be made, stop shifting every burden you can possibly imagine onto those who call bullshit on you. You define it, it's your baby.

So, lets recap.
Does the immaterial exist? -you don't know, correct?
Is the material all there is?- you don't know, correct?

You use the observable (life on mars) to compare to that which may not be able to be obtained. Not the same thing. I'm proposing the possiblity of the unknowable, whereas your basis dismisses the unknowable as you cannot prove it. I have made no claims at all. I just don't dismiss what I don't know.

You are welcome to make claims of knowledge, but those who use materialism assume in the absense of knowledge. This is not the same thing.

I already have defined observations as in the evidential sense, that you want me to observe the unobserved is not my problem, It highlights your position and why this conversation will go round and round.

And to recap, yes I don't know, which seems a logical place to leave it., as this position does not lead to atheism.