(August 20, 2013 at 1:14 pm)Godschild Wrote: No I'm not. In my state gay marriage is not allowed and we're not alone in this matter most states do not allow gay marriage. In those states that do allow gay marriage it has come by vote and that vote was pushed by the gay community.
So, your response to an accusation of ignorance is to display even more ignorance? The changes in laws to allow for gay marriages have come primarily through litigation, then legislation and then popular vote. The LGBT community doesn't need to initiate a popular vote movement because challenging the law via litigation is a much better option - which is why it rarely does so. Its the Christian community that tries to change the laws by appealing to public opinion.
(August 20, 2013 at 1:14 pm)Godschild Wrote: If you want to stand for gay marriage that's okay with me and it's my right to stand against it and in all this discussion that's all I've been trying to say.
The right to stand for or against it shouldn't be available to anyone - that's what I've been trying to say. We don't argue over whether we stand for or against heterosexual marriage or someone's right to work. The question of whether or not to allow it shouldn't come up at all - it should be allowed, period.
(August 20, 2013 at 1:14 pm)Godschild Wrote: I would be against gay marriage if I wasn't a Christian, so my Christianity does not change how I see this issue, it is in my opinion unnatural and I do know non Christians who feel this way.
Yes, I get that people can be bigots without religion. I get that you are a bigot and that you are not a bigot simply due to your religion, but your religion simply provides a handy excuse for your bigotry.
(August 20, 2013 at 1:14 pm)Godschild Wrote: These people would vote against gay marriage without religious conviction, so would you also deny these people their right to express their views through the vote.
Where the issue in question is civil liberties - yes, I would.
