(September 23, 2013 at 8:28 am)John V Wrote:Your post got swallowed, fixed it for you john.(September 22, 2013 at 11:08 pm)Esquilax Wrote:(September 21, 2013 at 2:53 pm)John V Wrote: So, your idea of the garden is like this: god tells Adam and Eve not to eat the fruit of the tree and presents this as the sole rule,Good so far.
Quote:all the while obscuring the host of other rules, his sins, that attract a punishment despite Adam and Eve not knowing they were okay... and your sole justification is that they wouldn't want to do those things anyway.As A&E had no desire to commit these other sins there was no need for god to address them. It's nonsensical for you to say that God "obscured" something that wasn't even an issue.
Quote:Something you cannot prove, cannot know, and will not admit that you just made up because it's convenient.Before the fall, god called the creation "very good." The Bible makes it clear that thoughts are sins as well as actions. If Adam had sinful desires, it wouldn't be "very good."
Quote:"You can do whatever you want, except the things that'll anger me. What things? Oh no, I ain't telling you! Just stay away from my tree!"Yes, I think it's OK not to warn people against doing things that they don't desire to do.
And you think this is okay? Would you accept this behavior from anyone else?
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.