RE: Intelligent Design: Did you design yourself?
May 29, 2014 at 12:05 pm
(This post was last modified: May 29, 2014 at 12:19 pm by Heywood.)
(May 29, 2014 at 8:10 am)Bad Wolf Wrote:(May 28, 2014 at 9:03 pm)Heywood Wrote: More than a hypothesis, it is a fact of reality.
Are we talking about the same thing here? Intelligent design? The 'scientific' cover for creationism. The movement that presumes a god made everything and then goes out looking for evidence for that presumption.
Yes, we are talking about the same thing. From an Intelligent design website:
Quote:Intelligent design is a scientific theory which holds that certain
features of the universe and living things are best explained
by an intelligent cause, and are not the result of an undirected,
chance-based process such as Darwinian evolution.
http://www.ideacenter.org/stuff/contentm...tshell.pdf
Mycoplasm Laboratorium is a living thing that has certain features that are best explained by an intelligent cause.
(May 29, 2014 at 8:10 am)Bad Wolf Wrote:(May 28, 2014 at 9:03 pm)Heywood Wrote: Mycoplasma Laboratorium is a synthetic species of bacterium. Within the DNA of the species is a series of water marks.
These water marks are too complex to have evolved and can only be the product of intelligent design.
Says who? You?
Who is to say that it would be impossible for this to occur naturally?
Who is to say the bacteria flagellum wasn't designed? Just because a pathway was found that showed it could have evolved doesn't mean that it did evolve.
(May 29, 2014 at 8:10 am)Bad Wolf Wrote:(May 28, 2014 at 9:03 pm)Heywood Wrote: It has been demonstrated scientifically that biological systems can be intelligently designed and contain systems which are irreducibly complex.
Great! Now how does that prove your god?
Intelligent design, as proposed, doesn't say anything about the intelligence behind the design. It is not a theory that attempts to prove anyone's God.
(May 29, 2014 at 10:08 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:(May 28, 2014 at 9:15 pm)Heywood Wrote: The claim made was that intelligent design was merely a hypothesis. Just one example of something intelligently designed demolishes that claim.
Intelligently designed biological systems exist.....shouldn't students then be taught about intelligent design?
If the intelligent design hypothesis wasn't already exclusive of human-designed organisms, your thought might actually make sense, but it's something we've been doing for thousands of years.
Students ARE taught about things that are KNOWN to be intelligently designed. In a proper science class, they are not taught about things IMAGINED to be intelligently designed.
There is nothing wrong with asking students to look at a feature of the universe and ask, "is this better explained by intelligent cause or an unintelligent cause?" This is a perfectly valid line of inquiry.
(May 29, 2014 at 10:08 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:(May 28, 2014 at 11:46 pm)Heywood Wrote: In the future, the very near future, most lineages of life on this planet will be the result of intelligent design.
That's ridiculous. Do you have any comprehension of the numbers involved? What motivation could we have to be in a hurry to create hundreds of millions of new species? It will take centuries.
You are confusing species with lineage. There is only one known lineage of life on this planet(two if you count mycoplasma laboratorium as a separate lineage....I do not because I see it as a modification of existing life). All life shares a universal common ancestor. Once we start creating biological life from scratch(instead of cobbling it together frakenstien style) there will be several lineages.
