(May 30, 2014 at 4:54 pm)Heywood Wrote: The intellect that made the watch found on the beach....he or she is no where to be found....yet you still know the watch was made by an intellect.If you aren't anywhere to be found and yet you found a watch on the beach.........well, I don't think I can help you there. Again you manage to defeat your own position.
Quote:If SETI finds a signal and determines it of intelligent alien origin, they don't need to see the intelligent aliens. Why? Because certain kinds of signals are always observed to be the products of intellect and never observed to be the products of nature. That's how SETI will differentiate a designed signal and one that is produced by nature.I would be amused to find SETI claiming that they had found a signal of "alien origin" in the absence of findings aliens. I think the best they'll be able to do is say "We found a signal that does 't fit"- which, last I checked, is not the case with life.
Quote:The rule we use to determine what is designed and what isn't, doesn't require the intellect to present. Only the intellects product need be present and our previous experience with those kinds of things.If we have previous experience then it was, at some point, present and observable to us. Make it so for your "intelligent designer"?
Quote:Atheists need some means of determining what is designed and what isn't that doesn't rely on our experience.Why do atheists specifically need this..in any case, if you're looking for "some means of determining" -anything- that "doesn't rely on our experience"...you're SOL...and skipping stones on the pond of solipsism.
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