RE: Abortion not allowed
October 14, 2014 at 2:46 pm
(This post was last modified: October 14, 2014 at 2:47 pm by C4RM5.)
(October 13, 2014 at 3:43 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:(October 12, 2014 at 11:04 am)C4RM5 Wrote: No I am talking about a chair I have never sat in before.
But you've sat in chairs before. You must have noted that they support the weight of the sitter far more often than they fail. And you'd notice any obvioius defects like a partly buckled leg or rickety appearance. You DO have facts when you believe a chair will support your weight. You might be wrong, but barring obvious defects, it's the smart way to bet, because of the facts.
(October 12, 2014 at 11:15 am)C4RM5 Wrote: I see nothing wrong in believing in a God who has revealed himself to me. Beliefs don't need a factual back, for instance I belief I don't really like the colour orange, there is no factual evidence does it mean it is wrong?
For there to be no factual evidence that you really like the color orange, you would have to be unaware that you like it. It might not be a fact for someone else, but YOU should know for a fact whether or not you like orange, or it would be meaningless to say you do.
(October 12, 2014 at 11:38 am)C4RM5 Wrote: Okay, glad to be called something else that a monster on this website.
Would you please link to or cite the thread and post number of two posts by different posters where you've been called a monster? If the majority of posters on this website have called you one, it shouldn't be too difficult a task. Though I admit it has been for me.
Don't you have it hard enough here without making stuff up to feel agrieved over?
(October 12, 2014 at 12:19 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: Exactly but how does this prove that I didn't use my brain, I mean I wouldn't be typing without a brain. The reason I don't have facts is that I can't find a definition of a human.
Here you go, mate, first thing that pops up when you Google 'definition of human':
hu·man/ˈ(h)yo͞omən/
noun
a human being, especially a person as distinguished from an animal or (in science fiction) an alien.
(October 12, 2014 at 4:14 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: I think being able to trust in something is a positive quality. For instance say for some reason you hanging of the edge of a large drop and someone is ready to pull you back up, do you let them pull you up and have faith or do you ask for factual evidence to prove that they can pull you up?
It's only a postiive quality if the thing you trust in is actually trustworthy. If it isn't, your trust is mislplaced, a mistake. I would trust a random stranger to help pull me up because most random humans are not THAT evil, and if they were they could just not try to help at all.
BTW, in your signature, wherever you have 'prove', the correct word would be 'proof'.
(October 12, 2014 at 4:19 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: I trust the Bible which says no human should take away a life from someone else.
You said earlier that your belief that abortion is wrong is not based on religion. Have you now realized that it is?
If so, that brings us to: where in the Bible does it say no human should take away a life from someone else?
I hope you're not thinking of 'Thou shalt not kill'. The Hebrew word in that Commandment is more accurately translated as 'murder' than 'kill'. The imperative is against unlawful killing.
(October 13, 2014 at 2:15 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: Okay but towards the start I said from a non religious view I still think it is wrong.
And later you said it's because you trust the Bible and the Bible says not to kill people.
Which are you going to stick with? One view requires you to explain your reasoning if you want us to take you seriously, and the other requires you to support your view Biblically if you want us to take you seriously.
It's okay to feel it's wrong. If you feel it's wrong, don't have an abortion or put anyone in a position where they might have one because of your actions.
I'm not a fan of abortion, but I'm less a fan of forcing women to take a fetus to term against their will. There's no point where I would think it's okay to confine a woman to prevent her from having an abortion, for instance. I don't consider abortion murder, I would not think it appropriate to punish the mother or the physician for murder...would you?
I handle my dislike of abortion by not getting anyone pregnant who doesn't want to have my baby. I hope you will follow suit.
(October 13, 2014 at 2:18 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: It does but you just want me to kill people.
We'd rather you not. Can you point out what post led you to believe any of us want you to kill people? Can you point to a post where any of us indicated we want you to have or perform an abortion?
The only thing in terms of action that's been asked of you is that you don't impose your opinion on others in the form of law without being able to justify it with more than your personal likes and dislikes.
(October 13, 2014 at 3:40 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: I have been noting but you are what I call nice because you haven't.
Thank you, but you know it isn't actually true that over half the pwople on this website have sworn at you and called you a monster, right? It's not even true of over half the people on this thread, despite your comments that we want to kill babies and want you to kill people, which is a far worse thing to say about people than using a 'bad' word or two.
You have to understand that I didn't accuse anyone of killing babies I just found out that you support the killing.
Thanks for the definition I honestly couldn't find one.
