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How to argue against this claim
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RE: How to argue against this claim
(October 22, 2014 at 1:51 pm)Beccs Wrote:
(October 22, 2014 at 1:49 pm)Lek Wrote: Yes. Everything is a gift from God.

Why is god usually credited with all the good stuff but the bad stuff is either the work of the devil or a result of man's "fall"?
Because then Christians would have to admit that god is not all-loving. They will claim that good will is god's will and evil will is man's will. Because our will is free from influence...

Therein lies the problem. If god is all-knowing, that means our fate is predetermined and a predetermined fate and free will CANNOT coexist. However if god gives us free will that means he is not all-knowing because we can change our minds at any point in time about any decisions we might make.

Confused Fall
“Love is the only bow on Life’s dark cloud. It is the morning and the evening star. It shines upon the babe, and sheds its radiance on the quiet tomb. It is the mother of art, inspirer of poet, patriot and philosopher.

It is the air and light of every heart – builder of every home, kindler of every fire on every hearth. It was the first to dream of immortality. It fills the world with melody – for music is the voice of love.

Love is the magician, the enchanter, that changes worthless things to Joy, and makes royal kings and queens of common clay. It is the perfume of that wondrous flower, the heart, and without that sacred passion, that divine swoon, we are less than beasts; but with it, earth is heaven, and we are gods.” - Robert. G. Ingersoll


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How to argue against this claim - by sipurtov - October 18, 2014 at 10:47 am
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Aoi Magi - October 18, 2014 at 10:57 am
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Endo - October 18, 2014 at 10:58 am
RE: How to argue against this claim - by vorlon13 - October 18, 2014 at 10:59 am
RE: How to argue against this claim - by TreeSapNest - October 18, 2014 at 11:36 am
RE: How to argue against this claim - by JesusHChrist - October 18, 2014 at 11:12 am
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Jenny A - October 18, 2014 at 11:16 am
RE: How to argue against this claim - by The Grand Nudger - October 18, 2014 at 11:22 am
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Aoi Magi - October 18, 2014 at 11:25 am
RE: How to argue against this claim - by polar bear - October 18, 2014 at 11:32 am
RE: How to argue against this claim - by The Grand Nudger - October 18, 2014 at 11:35 am
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Simon Moon - October 18, 2014 at 11:36 am
RE: How to argue against this claim - by TreeSapNest - October 18, 2014 at 11:42 am
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Aoi Magi - October 18, 2014 at 12:18 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Lek - October 18, 2014 at 1:05 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by TreeSapNest - October 18, 2014 at 1:17 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Brian37 - October 18, 2014 at 1:35 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Lek - October 18, 2014 at 4:36 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Aoi Magi - October 18, 2014 at 4:50 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Lek - October 18, 2014 at 5:35 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Anomalocaris - October 18, 2014 at 5:47 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Brian37 - October 18, 2014 at 5:55 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Chas - October 19, 2014 at 5:51 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by The Valkyrie - October 19, 2014 at 5:55 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Lek - October 19, 2014 at 6:03 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by The Valkyrie - October 19, 2014 at 6:04 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Chas - October 19, 2014 at 6:10 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Simon Moon - October 20, 2014 at 9:12 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by LastPoet - October 18, 2014 at 5:06 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Brian37 - October 18, 2014 at 5:22 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Lek - October 18, 2014 at 5:49 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Aoi Magi - October 18, 2014 at 5:58 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Lek - October 18, 2014 at 6:18 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Brakeman - October 19, 2014 at 5:15 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Jenny A - October 18, 2014 at 6:04 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Aoi Magi - October 18, 2014 at 1:35 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Lek - October 18, 2014 at 3:46 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by LastPoet - October 18, 2014 at 3:52 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Aoi Magi - October 18, 2014 at 4:26 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by AceBoogie - October 18, 2014 at 4:41 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Brian37 - October 18, 2014 at 1:08 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Anomalocaris - October 18, 2014 at 1:41 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by MysticKnight - October 19, 2014 at 6:45 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by downbeatplumb - October 18, 2014 at 1:51 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by AceBoogie - October 18, 2014 at 4:18 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Brian37 - October 18, 2014 at 4:27 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Aoi Magi - October 18, 2014 at 5:40 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Brian37 - October 18, 2014 at 5:42 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Brian37 - October 18, 2014 at 6:07 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Aoi Magi - October 18, 2014 at 6:46 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Lek - October 19, 2014 at 12:55 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Aoi Magi - October 19, 2014 at 1:29 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Lek - October 19, 2014 at 5:07 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Brian37 - October 19, 2014 at 10:22 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Lek - October 19, 2014 at 10:47 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Brian37 - October 19, 2014 at 11:40 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by The Valkyrie - October 19, 2014 at 5:20 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by vorlon13 - October 19, 2014 at 5:41 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Esquilax - October 20, 2014 at 10:48 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by RobbyPants - October 21, 2014 at 3:36 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by AceBoogie - October 21, 2014 at 5:48 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by JesusHChrist - October 21, 2014 at 6:43 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Brian37 - October 22, 2014 at 9:18 am
RE: How to argue against this claim - by AceBoogie - October 22, 2014 at 10:43 am
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Lek - October 22, 2014 at 1:20 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by FatAndFaithless - October 22, 2014 at 1:22 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Lek - October 22, 2014 at 1:49 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by The Valkyrie - October 22, 2014 at 1:51 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by AceBoogie - October 22, 2014 at 2:49 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Lek - October 22, 2014 at 4:21 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Tonus - October 23, 2014 at 11:21 am
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Lek - October 22, 2014 at 4:14 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Jenny A - October 22, 2014 at 4:46 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by The Valkyrie - October 22, 2014 at 4:50 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Lek - October 22, 2014 at 7:03 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by The Valkyrie - October 22, 2014 at 7:19 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Jenny A - October 22, 2014 at 8:16 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by The Valkyrie - October 22, 2014 at 8:24 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Lek - October 22, 2014 at 10:12 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Chas - October 22, 2014 at 7:23 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Lek - October 22, 2014 at 7:27 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Chas - October 22, 2014 at 7:35 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by FatAndFaithless - October 22, 2014 at 1:51 pm
RE: How to argue against this claim - by Tonus - October 22, 2014 at 4:16 pm

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