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Suicide: An Ethical Delimna
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RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna
(December 14, 2014 at 10:43 pm)FlyingNarwhal Wrote: You're using the term 'victim' here pretty broadly, as in if someone makes another person feel bad, that person is now a victim. By that same logic, a gay person should deny their sexuality if there family isn't accepting of gay people, because it may hurt their family's feelings and make them victims. That gay person knew their family was against homosexuality, and decided to come out of the closet anyways. Fucking selfish....
This is the joy of working with ethics: it's almost all grey area.

In the case of homosexuality, there's a more complex balance of goods and bads involved. For example, if one decides not to come out, it may save the family's feelings, but might leave other homosexuals isolated, still leading to a net harm; one can imagine that a young gay person isolated in this way could even be a suicide risk. If one goes so far as to marry, then the wife will almost certainly suffer as well. So this is not a purely selfish issue: be myself, or save others. It also involves the GOOD that an openly homosexual might do in the world and in his/her society, as well as alternative bads that could be prevented by honesty.

In the case of suicide, things are usually clearer: it really is a conflict between the desire of the self to end suffering and the pain that it will cause many others. It's hard to imagine a scenario where someone's suicide will lead to any good.
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Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by LivingNumbers - November 29, 2014 at 8:04 pm
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by The Grand Nudger - November 29, 2014 at 8:08 pm
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by Jenny A - November 29, 2014 at 8:08 pm
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by Peebo-Thuhlu - November 29, 2014 at 8:09 pm
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by bennyboy - November 29, 2014 at 8:26 pm
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by The Grand Nudger - November 29, 2014 at 8:29 pm
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by vorlon13 - November 29, 2014 at 8:36 pm
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by Peebo-Thuhlu - November 29, 2014 at 8:47 pm
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by Chad32 - November 29, 2014 at 8:45 pm
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by LivingNumbers - November 29, 2014 at 9:06 pm
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by TreeSapNest - December 1, 2014 at 5:41 pm
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by TheRealJoeFish - December 1, 2014 at 5:46 pm
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by Losty - December 1, 2014 at 5:52 pm
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by MysticKnight - December 1, 2014 at 6:23 pm
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by Strider - December 4, 2014 at 1:10 pm
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by Minimalist - December 4, 2014 at 1:52 pm
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by Losty - December 4, 2014 at 2:03 pm
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by FatAndFaithless - December 4, 2014 at 1:58 pm
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by Violet - December 4, 2014 at 9:03 pm
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by Ravenshire - December 4, 2014 at 10:10 pm
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by robvalue - December 5, 2014 at 4:57 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by ManMachine - December 5, 2014 at 5:16 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by robvalue - December 5, 2014 at 5:41 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by ManMachine - December 12, 2014 at 7:19 pm
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by stillagnostic - December 6, 2014 at 1:06 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by bennyboy - December 12, 2014 at 12:28 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by Ryantology - December 12, 2014 at 5:09 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by Losty - December 12, 2014 at 8:32 pm
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by bennyboy - December 13, 2014 at 6:30 pm
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by Ryantology - December 13, 2014 at 7:01 pm
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by bennyboy - December 13, 2014 at 8:24 pm
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by Ryantology - December 14, 2014 at 3:04 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by Losty - December 14, 2014 at 1:10 pm
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by bennyboy - December 14, 2014 at 8:15 pm
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by FlyingNarwhal - December 14, 2014 at 10:43 pm
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by MysticKnight - December 14, 2014 at 11:33 pm
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by FlyingNarwhal - December 18, 2014 at 9:59 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by bennyboy - December 18, 2014 at 8:03 pm
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by bennyboy - December 15, 2014 at 12:11 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by Losty - December 15, 2014 at 11:32 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by bennyboy - December 15, 2014 at 12:52 pm
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by Losty - December 15, 2014 at 1:09 pm
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by bennyboy - December 16, 2014 at 12:28 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by Ryantology - December 16, 2014 at 3:58 pm
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by Thumpalumpacus - December 17, 2014 at 1:28 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by Losty - December 14, 2014 at 1:26 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by bennyboy - December 14, 2014 at 1:44 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by robvalue - December 12, 2014 at 4:36 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by bennyboy - December 12, 2014 at 4:51 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by robvalue - December 12, 2014 at 4:55 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by robvalue - December 12, 2014 at 5:12 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by The Grand Nudger - December 12, 2014 at 5:44 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by robvalue - December 12, 2014 at 5:53 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by thesummerqueen - December 12, 2014 at 9:33 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by Aractus - December 13, 2014 at 7:40 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by Chad32 - December 13, 2014 at 9:08 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by Aractus - December 13, 2014 at 9:46 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by Aractus - December 14, 2014 at 8:21 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by robvalue - December 13, 2014 at 9:13 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by ManMachine - December 15, 2014 at 6:32 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by Minimalist - December 14, 2014 at 1:51 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by bennyboy - December 14, 2014 at 1:59 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by Minimalist - December 14, 2014 at 2:04 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by bennyboy - December 14, 2014 at 3:19 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by Ryantology - December 14, 2014 at 4:07 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by bennyboy - December 14, 2014 at 8:13 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by robvalue - December 14, 2014 at 8:16 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by bennyboy - December 14, 2014 at 10:20 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by Chas - December 14, 2014 at 11:49 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by Cato - December 14, 2014 at 12:31 pm
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by robvalue - December 14, 2014 at 11:50 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by bennyboy - December 14, 2014 at 12:31 pm
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by robvalue - December 14, 2014 at 12:49 pm
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by The_greatest_river - December 15, 2014 at 3:21 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by Ryantology - December 15, 2014 at 3:44 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by thesummerqueen - December 15, 2014 at 5:46 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by robvalue - December 15, 2014 at 6:37 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by Faith No More - December 15, 2014 at 3:05 pm
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by comet - December 15, 2014 at 9:06 pm
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by Losty - December 16, 2014 at 12:46 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by bennyboy - December 16, 2014 at 11:02 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by Losty - December 16, 2014 at 3:22 pm
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by bennyboy - December 16, 2014 at 5:12 pm
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by Losty - December 16, 2014 at 5:29 pm
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by bennyboy - December 16, 2014 at 6:16 pm
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by Mudhammam - December 16, 2014 at 6:20 pm
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by bennyboy - December 16, 2014 at 9:29 pm
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by Mudhammam - December 16, 2014 at 10:50 pm
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by bennyboy - December 17, 2014 at 5:19 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by MysticKnight - December 17, 2014 at 12:49 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by robvalue - December 17, 2014 at 2:55 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by robvalue - December 17, 2014 at 6:25 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by bennyboy - December 17, 2014 at 8:12 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by robvalue - December 17, 2014 at 8:22 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by bennyboy - December 17, 2014 at 9:36 pm
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by Vosur - December 17, 2014 at 3:09 pm
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by Thumpalumpacus - December 18, 2014 at 3:10 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by robvalue - December 18, 2014 at 4:21 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by bennyboy - December 18, 2014 at 5:48 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by Thumpalumpacus - December 18, 2014 at 9:59 pm
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by bennyboy - December 19, 2014 at 5:02 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by Thumpalumpacus - December 18, 2014 at 4:44 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by robvalue - December 18, 2014 at 5:31 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by robvalue - December 18, 2014 at 6:00 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by Thumpalumpacus - December 19, 2014 at 6:07 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by AwakeOSleeper - December 26, 2014 at 2:35 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by Faith No More - December 26, 2014 at 11:28 am
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by fr0d0 - December 26, 2014 at 9:41 pm
RE: Suicide: An Ethical Delimna - by robvalue - December 27, 2014 at 3:26 am

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