RE: Necessary Thing
April 16, 2016 at 2:41 pm
(This post was last modified: April 16, 2016 at 2:43 pm by TheRocketSurgeon.)
*sigh*
I had just closed this thread, thinking no more replies were forthcoming.
This is what we mean by "playing coy". It strongly appears to us that you're one of the passive-aggressive types who come here and pretend they're being misunderstood at every point... even though they barely make a point, so we're forced to guess where they're going with it.
The arguments you appear to be laying down have been put to us innumerable (well, someone probably could, but I won't count them!) times, and they lead to one of the "god of the gaps" arguments. In this particular case, it's the one we see the most, the "first cause" argument, in which it is claimed (paraphrasing) "if everything needs to come into being, then there must be something that made it come into being, ergo Universal Creator God YHWH/Jehovah of the Hebrews of Bronze Age Canaan".
Edit to Add: It's a GotG argument because we don't know nearly enough about the physics involved to begin a philosophical argument; anything we'd kick around on the subject would be sophistry at best, or simply pure gibberish. But, as I said above, this doesn't stop theists from trying to assert it as reality because (they think) it favors their God hypothesis.
I had just closed this thread, thinking no more replies were forthcoming.
This is what we mean by "playing coy". It strongly appears to us that you're one of the passive-aggressive types who come here and pretend they're being misunderstood at every point... even though they barely make a point, so we're forced to guess where they're going with it.
The arguments you appear to be laying down have been put to us innumerable (well, someone probably could, but I won't count them!) times, and they lead to one of the "god of the gaps" arguments. In this particular case, it's the one we see the most, the "first cause" argument, in which it is claimed (paraphrasing) "if everything needs to come into being, then there must be something that made it come into being, ergo Universal Creator God YHWH/Jehovah of the Hebrews of Bronze Age Canaan".
Edit to Add: It's a GotG argument because we don't know nearly enough about the physics involved to begin a philosophical argument; anything we'd kick around on the subject would be sophistry at best, or simply pure gibberish. But, as I said above, this doesn't stop theists from trying to assert it as reality because (they think) it favors their God hypothesis.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
