RE: Necessary Thing
April 16, 2016 at 3:11 pm
(This post was last modified: April 16, 2016 at 3:11 pm by TheRocketSurgeon.)
(April 16, 2016 at 3:08 pm)Ignorant Wrote:(April 16, 2016 at 2:41 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: It strongly appears to us that you're one of the passive-aggressive types who come here and pretend they're being misunderstood at every point... even though they barely make a point, so we're forced to guess where they're going with it.
Please help me. What things have I said provide you with the strong appearance that I am of this type?
Look, I know there are millions of ignorant Christians on the internet who have time and time again failed to see their own logical errors and fallacies even when most of you have patiently and fairly pointed them out. I know that the same arguments get poorly launched at you over and over again. I am not saying you should not be frustrated or suspicious of theists coming at you all guns blazing shooting nothing but blanks, but I have no interest in doing that. Cosmological arguments do not prove that god exists, but the questions they raise are interesting to me. If they aren't interesting to you, then why are you reading this thread?
Because I, too, find them interesting. And you seem like a smart and honest theist. Those are rare and valuable, around here.
The reason it is suspicious is simple: the questions you are asking are almost always a lead-up to the Big Reveal, in which we get back to regurgitated Aquinas. Bleh.
Edit to Add: I am telling you all these things by way of helping you fit in better, and more quickly, by avoiding a common pitfall. That's all!
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.