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Breaking down the "God sees argument"
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RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument"
See, existence and reality doesn't need to be noumenal at all. Far from it. The reality and real world that we live and function only requires positing the phenomenal world... whether there's any noumenal existential reality is moot and unnecessary for postulation.

We all absolutely must objectively exist within the phenomenal world at the very least. Fuck noumenal reality. There is no thing-in-itself besides the law of identity and would you even call that a 'thing'? If you would then it's true to say that there is noumenal logic and it's tautologically based entirely upon the foundations of the law of identity/non-contradiction "A=A"... and it's noumenal because it's truth is independent of the minds that create what the label "A=A" refers to. The point of reference exists independent of the referer because what it refers to is absolutely tautologically true regardless of how the label is phrased... and it's a truly absolutely sound premise.

So meh, we do all objectively exist dude, at least in phenomenal reality phenomenologically and if there's any noumenal existence it's the noumenal existence of the logical absolutes such as the Law of Identity/non-contradiction. Ok?
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Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by MysticKnight - October 23, 2016 at 12:45 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by Longhorn - October 23, 2016 at 12:46 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by MysticKnight - October 23, 2016 at 12:49 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by Edwardo Piet - October 23, 2016 at 1:06 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by MysticKnight - October 23, 2016 at 1:11 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by Edwardo Piet - October 23, 2016 at 1:13 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by Edwardo Piet - October 23, 2016 at 1:14 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by chimp3 - October 23, 2016 at 1:24 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by Edwardo Piet - October 23, 2016 at 1:52 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by Arkilogue - October 23, 2016 at 5:23 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by chimp3 - October 23, 2016 at 5:36 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by Arkilogue - October 23, 2016 at 6:03 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by chimp3 - October 23, 2016 at 6:08 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by Edwardo Piet - October 23, 2016 at 6:09 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by Arkilogue - October 23, 2016 at 6:17 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by chimp3 - October 23, 2016 at 6:25 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by Edwardo Piet - October 23, 2016 at 5:45 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by ApeNotKillApe - October 23, 2016 at 1:33 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by ApeNotKillApe - October 23, 2016 at 1:38 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by Whateverist - October 23, 2016 at 1:41 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by MysticKnight - October 23, 2016 at 1:42 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by Whateverist - October 23, 2016 at 1:45 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by MysticKnight - October 23, 2016 at 1:50 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by Whateverist - October 23, 2016 at 2:10 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by MysticKnight - October 23, 2016 at 2:12 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by Edwardo Piet - October 23, 2016 at 1:53 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by ApeNotKillApe - October 23, 2016 at 2:10 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by RozKek - October 23, 2016 at 3:46 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by chimp3 - October 23, 2016 at 1:44 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by Edwardo Piet - October 23, 2016 at 1:59 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by MysticKnight - October 23, 2016 at 2:06 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by chimp3 - October 23, 2016 at 2:10 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by Whateverist - October 23, 2016 at 2:13 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by MysticKnight - October 23, 2016 at 2:20 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by Whateverist - October 23, 2016 at 2:25 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by RozKek - October 23, 2016 at 3:49 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by Edwardo Piet - October 23, 2016 at 2:10 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by Edwardo Piet - October 23, 2016 at 2:11 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by Edwardo Piet - October 23, 2016 at 2:19 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by MysticKnight - October 23, 2016 at 2:33 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by Whateverist - October 23, 2016 at 2:37 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by chimp3 - October 23, 2016 at 2:57 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by Angrboda - October 23, 2016 at 4:03 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by Edwardo Piet - October 23, 2016 at 4:43 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by ApeNotKillApe - October 23, 2016 at 4:04 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by Whateverist - October 23, 2016 at 4:08 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by Levi_Black - October 23, 2016 at 4:36 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by bennyboy - October 23, 2016 at 4:55 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by Edwardo Piet - October 23, 2016 at 5:42 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by Arkilogue - October 23, 2016 at 6:09 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by Edwardo Piet - October 23, 2016 at 6:14 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by bennyboy - October 24, 2016 at 10:59 am
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by Edwardo Piet - October 23, 2016 at 6:08 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by Edwardo Piet - October 23, 2016 at 6:19 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by Edwardo Piet - October 23, 2016 at 6:30 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by Edwardo Piet - October 23, 2016 at 6:36 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by Edwardo Piet - October 23, 2016 at 6:45 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by Arkilogue - October 23, 2016 at 6:50 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by Edwardo Piet - October 23, 2016 at 6:52 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by Arkilogue - October 23, 2016 at 6:55 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by Edwardo Piet - October 23, 2016 at 7:08 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by Edwardo Piet - October 23, 2016 at 7:10 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by RozKek - October 24, 2016 at 9:44 am
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by downbeatplumb - October 24, 2016 at 1:28 pm
RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument" - by theologian - November 3, 2016 at 3:59 am

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