(January 18, 2017 at 4:29 pm)Asmodee Wrote:(January 18, 2017 at 4:17 pm)Cephus Wrote: I'd like to talk to intelligent theists but I have yet to find a single example of that breed.
I talked to one just a week or two ago. Highly intelligent, in fact. One of those people whose brains don't work like yours and mine, very socially inept, talks as if he is starved for intelligent discourse. He said he came to his theism after doing a pretty thorough investigation of many religions and didn't have a specific "faith". He claimed to be currently in the middle of a second look at it to make sure he got it right the first time. He didn't hold most of the bigoted beliefs the highly religious tend to. I was introduced to his thought process by a paper he wrote for his philosophy class, for instance, in which he tore to shreds someone's claim that homosexuality was inherently immoral, and did so brilliantly. I dare say he may be vastly more intelligent than me. Not that I'm a genius or anything, but living in pig fucker country, it's not something I run into often.
I meet theists all the time who are very intelligent... up until they start talking about their religion. Then their IQ goes right out the window. Most of these people are intelligent in spite of their religious beliefs, not because of them. They employ a entirely different set of standards when it comes to their religion than they do when it comes to anything else. They believe for emotional, not intellectual reasons. Just once I'd love to see a theist who holds their religious beliefs rationally, with objective and demonstrable evidence for their particular deity, that they can actually produce for others to see and are willing to evaluate their faith in light of reason, not wishful thinking.
But we all know that simply doesn't exist.
There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide mankind that cannot be achieved as well or better through secular means.
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