Good point. And good point about the Adam and Noah part...
But I dunno - perhaps they were based on family members.
Like someone who was missing a rib? Lol
Someone who owned a boat with a FEW animals on.
And the flood was made up lol.
Yeah - its more parsimonious to assume that there was no character to be based upon.
But is completely made up more parsimonious? Gotta be made up some way.
If you wanted a biblical character wouldn't you want SOME substance to start with?
Isn't it CLOSER to like 50/50. I'm really not that sure which is more probable.
Its simpler to assume there was no one to be based on....
But then on the other hand - couldn't it be very likely that he was based on someone?
It may be simpler, but is it actually more probable? I mean as a general rule its simpler at least.
Made up completely - is that more probable than based on someone? Considering the popularity of such a character?
Perhaps someone would have figured it out ages ago if there was NO ONE he was based on. No one who was exaggerated upon...
If that last line is correct grammar at all? Lol.
Just speculation really. I certainly don't believe in Jesus of the bible.
But for such a character to be based on someone isn't that quite likely?#
And as Kyu said he could be based on many. And there were many characters in the past similar to Jesus.
But if that's the case isn't it plausible that he was based on someone more than others? And the rest kind of attributed to some of his attributes and character traits?
Although I guess it could have just been some sort of gradudal development or 'evolution' of 'Jesus and/or Jesusy' characters
EvF
EDIT:I was Re-reading our convo DD and I saw where you said basically that what is my reason and evidence for believing that Jesus is more likely to exist or perhaps more likely to exist.
And you said how you think its more parsimonious to say it was just all made up rather than based on someone.
Well the thing is I forgot some of the reasons I came to my conclusion or conclusionISH conclusion lol.
It was the chapter about scripture in TGD and the argument from scripture in Arguments for God's existence mostly I believe. Where Dawkins concluded that just as God almost certainly doesn't exist: a SUPERNATURAL Jesus almost certainly doesn't and never did exist.
But he concluded that a non-supernatural Jesus probably existed. And I forget some of the reasons - I better re-read that chapter.
Gotta check if there's anything substantial there.
Although I guess its possible Dawkins MAY have been bending over backwards for the theists? Although its not like him if that's the case!
I guess to say you dont' believe God exists is one thing but to say you don't believe Jesus existed even in NON-supernatural form is maybe something else! (to Christians I mean).
Although at his interview at T5M.com Dawkins was asked who he'd have for dinner if he could pick anyone from the past. He of course picked Darwin - but he also picked Jesus 'to find out what really happened'.
So seems perhaps he does believe Jesus existed in some form?
I'll recheck those related parts from TGD.
EvF
But I dunno - perhaps they were based on family members.
Like someone who was missing a rib? Lol
Someone who owned a boat with a FEW animals on.
And the flood was made up lol.
Yeah - its more parsimonious to assume that there was no character to be based upon.
But is completely made up more parsimonious? Gotta be made up some way.
If you wanted a biblical character wouldn't you want SOME substance to start with?
Isn't it CLOSER to like 50/50. I'm really not that sure which is more probable.
Its simpler to assume there was no one to be based on....
But then on the other hand - couldn't it be very likely that he was based on someone?
It may be simpler, but is it actually more probable? I mean as a general rule its simpler at least.
Made up completely - is that more probable than based on someone? Considering the popularity of such a character?
Perhaps someone would have figured it out ages ago if there was NO ONE he was based on. No one who was exaggerated upon...
If that last line is correct grammar at all? Lol.
Just speculation really. I certainly don't believe in Jesus of the bible.
But for such a character to be based on someone isn't that quite likely?#
And as Kyu said he could be based on many. And there were many characters in the past similar to Jesus.
But if that's the case isn't it plausible that he was based on someone more than others? And the rest kind of attributed to some of his attributes and character traits?
Although I guess it could have just been some sort of gradudal development or 'evolution' of 'Jesus and/or Jesusy' characters
EvF
EDIT:I was Re-reading our convo DD and I saw where you said basically that what is my reason and evidence for believing that Jesus is more likely to exist or perhaps more likely to exist.
And you said how you think its more parsimonious to say it was just all made up rather than based on someone.
Well the thing is I forgot some of the reasons I came to my conclusion or conclusionISH conclusion lol.
It was the chapter about scripture in TGD and the argument from scripture in Arguments for God's existence mostly I believe. Where Dawkins concluded that just as God almost certainly doesn't exist: a SUPERNATURAL Jesus almost certainly doesn't and never did exist.
But he concluded that a non-supernatural Jesus probably existed. And I forget some of the reasons - I better re-read that chapter.
Gotta check if there's anything substantial there.
Although I guess its possible Dawkins MAY have been bending over backwards for the theists? Although its not like him if that's the case!
I guess to say you dont' believe God exists is one thing but to say you don't believe Jesus existed even in NON-supernatural form is maybe something else! (to Christians I mean).
Although at his interview at T5M.com Dawkins was asked who he'd have for dinner if he could pick anyone from the past. He of course picked Darwin - but he also picked Jesus 'to find out what really happened'.
So seems perhaps he does believe Jesus existed in some form?
I'll recheck those related parts from TGD.
EvF
