Why God is not a girl...

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

Most ancient gods were ascribed a gender and most cultures had gods of both genders,and they tended to be overtly sexual,often with robust,outrageous sex lives, reproducing in many inventive ways.. EG The Egyptians, Chinese, Indians, Greeks,Romans.Norse,

The God YHWH was originally a part of the Canaanite pantheon.(lifted from the Sumerians) He has always been very much male in every sense, even originally having a wife, Asheroth,

All of the ancient cultures I mentioned above were essentially misogynistic. If they ascribed a gender to a god ,it was because it was seen as that gender,period. In many languages and cultures, there is no neutral gender;EVERYTHING is masculine or feminine.

Modern apologists claim that YHWH incorporates both sexes. Eg that Sophia (wisdom) is the female aspect of YHWH. I consider the claim nonsense,


My perception is whats -it's-name, with it's reductio-ad-adsurdum-feminist view, speaks ex rectum.

[jonb]

At least you admit you are too young or ignorant to realize why they are related.

Yes, I'm very young, a virgin and I don't watch television. I also didn't realize that people with gender were all sexual. Kind of weird thing to learn about your perspective. Maybe you should be Catholic.

I think you may like to know, I think I may have found a non sexual catholic for you, no not a pretend celibate, a real one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M07Qga3LbcM&feature
'The last castrato'

[Rayaan]

To re-iterate my first post in this thread, I think that the "He" is only a type of figurative language. It doesn't necessarily have to mean that God/Allah/YHWH is a male.

Why is mother nature a "she"? <- Same answer as above.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

To re-iterate my irst post in this thread, I think that the "He" is only a type of figurative language. It doesn't necessarily have to mean that God/Allah/YHWH is a male.

Why is mother nature a "she"? <- Same answer as above.

In the origins of YHWH in the Canaanite pantheon,and as the god of the Jews he has always been seen as a male...

Islam began in,and survives within patriarchal,tribal societies. It is unlikely that that their dominant God would be other than male,at least originally.


All religions are created by men,for men, and always reflect the contemporary values and prejudices of the societies which create them. Although religious books may or may not change,interpretations an emphases certainly do,and have in all of the Abrahamic religions.

The ones who seem to have changed the least are the extremist loons,such as Saudi Wahhabi, Jewish Hasidim,and Christian young earth creationist nutters.

[Rayaan]

In the origins of YHWH in the Canaanite pantheon,and as the god of the Jews he has always been seen as a male...

If YHWH has pagan roots, then perhaps He was not the original god of the Jews, at least.

What's interesting is that the Hebrew word for god is name is etymologically related to Allah. "Elah" is the hebrew word for God, and the Aramaic equivalent of it is "Alaha,", taken from the Biblical Aramaic "Elaha" - and since Arabic is a sister language of the two languages - Allah is the Arabic cognate of the Aramaic word "Alaha." I read that even long before the time of Muhammad, the Arabic-speaking Jews and Christians used the term Allah for God, i.e. the same term as it is used in the Quran, as opposed to "YHWH."

The term Allāh is derived from a contraction of the Arabic definite article al- "the" and ʾilāh "deity, god" to al-lāh meaning "the [sole] deity, God" (ὁ θεὸς μόνος, ho theos monos). Cognates of the name "Allāh" exist in other Semitic languages, including Hebrew and Aramaic. Biblical Hebrew mostly uses the plural form (but functional singular) Elohim. The corresponding Aramaic form is ʼĔlāhā אֱלָהָא in Biblical Aramaic and ʼAlâhâ ܐܰܠܳܗܳܐ in Syriac as used by the Assyrian Church, both meaning simply "God."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah#Etymology

You'll see that the words "Elah," "Eloah," and "Alaha" appear in many places in the Tanakh (Jewish canon) such as in the books Ezra, Daniel, and Jeremiah when referring to the god of the Jews. Therefore, it's possible that the very first Jews didn't call their god YHWH, but something like "Alaha" or "Elah," which simply mean "God." YHWH may have been a later introduction.

The Quran itself affirms that the Islamic god, Allah, is the same as the Judeo-Christian one:

Do not argue with the People of the Book [the Jews and Christians] except in the kindest possible manner, save those of them who are oppressive, and say: “We believe in what was revealed to us and what was revealed to you; our God and your God are one and the same, and to Him do we submit ourselves. (29:46)

As for Allah being a male, again, my point was that the word "He" is used only in a figurative sense, just like when sometimes people talk about nature or the earth with a "she." Also, the verses that I quoted on the first page in this thread negates the idea that Allah has a gender or that He is a male, specifically. In fact, it shows that we cannot understand His nature at all.

[Phish]

If god is a girl,where would she buy her tampons?

Just Kidding.

[Rayaan]

Islam began in,and survives within patriarchal,tribal societies. It is unlikely that that their dominant God would be other than male,at least originally.

Well, just because it began in patriarchal societies doesn't mean that God is more likely to be a male. I gave more reasons in post # 10.

All religions are created by men,for men, and always reflect the contemporary values and prejudices of the societies which create them.

You mean, that's what you believe, right?
Otherwise, that would be a positive claim, and you would shoulder the burden of proof.

Although religious books may or may not change,interpretations an emphases certainly do,and have in all of the Abrahamic religions.

I don't disagree with that.

The ones who seem to have changed the least are the extremist loons,such as Saudi Wahhabi, Jewish Hasidim,and Christian young earth creationist nutters.

I dont' disagree with that either. I find most of the extremist loons very arrogant and intolerant as well.

[pocaracas]

Guys, it's a language thing.
In most (or all) latin languages (and most likely others, but not english), all nouns have a gender associated.
For example, in Portuguese, the noun for "chair", cadeira, is female; the noun for "pencil", lápis, is male (makes sense!); the noun for "computer", computador, is male; the noun for "god", deus, is also male.
The female version is "goddess", deusa.

As for the god of the bible, it (see what I did there?) is always referred to using the male noun, capitalized. Nonetheless, it is defined/presented as an asexual being.

[ThomM]

Yes, I'm very young, a virgin and I don't watch television. I also didn't realize that people with gender were all sexual. Kind of weird thing to learn about your perspective. Maybe you should be Catholic.

I think you may like to know, I think I may have found a non sexual catholic for you,

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HAHAHA

WHY a catholic - I don't believe in the fairy tales of your religion
EVENTUALLy you will learn that santa claus is a fake too - oops - maybe I said something you did not know yet

AND sorry - but your statement about a non-sexual catholic again shows how little you understand the subject of gender.

WHEN you grow up more - ask your parents to explain why your statement cannot be true.

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To re-iterate my first post in this thread, I think that the "He" is only a type of figurative language. It doesn't necessarily have to mean that God/Allah/YHWH is a male.

Why is mother nature a "she"? <- Same answer as above.

Sorry - but the subject is "why god is not a girl"

THe "he" is clearly being used to dispute that.
IF the "he" is only figurative -= then it cannot be used to dispute that subject

In reality -

All gods are fictional characters in fairy tales - making then non-existent - so they have NO gender - at all. THE are neuter - ie - "IT"

In the fairy tales of the bible and the koran - the god is singular - and has no female counterpart from which to determine that gender exists - so they too are neuter - ie "IT"

While we do call ships "she" or "her" of the female gender - educated persons understand that ships do not have a gender - and are neuter as well.

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Guys, it's a language thing.
In most (or all) latin languages (and most likely others, but not english), all nouns have a gender associated.
For example, in Portuguese, the noun for "chair", cadeira, is female; the noun for "pencil", lápis, is male (makes sense!); the noun for "computer", computador, is male; the noun for "god", deus, is also male.
The female version is "goddess", deusa.

As for the god of the bible, it (see what I did there?) is always referred to using the male noun, capitalized. Nonetheless, it is defined/presented as an asexual being.

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GO back to the title of the thread
"Why god is NOT a girl"

IF the word "he" is being used as a matter of speech or figuratively - it is meaningless in the discussion. It is NOT the word "he" that is the subject of the thread - the subject of the thread is whether the god is "MALE"

In that context - there is NO place in either book that shows the need for "god" to have male or female characteristics. There is only one god in both books as claimed (THE trinity being nonsense and is not claimed in either of the books). THere are no "female" gods for a male god to be counterpoint to.

If you believe the nonsense that there is a son of god that is the same god as the father - then there still remains no basis for conception via a female god.

THe god of the bible and the god of the koran are both NEUTER - and using "it" to describe them is appropriate

[pocaracas]

Guys, it's a language thing.
In most (or all) latin languages (and most likely others, but not english), all nouns have a gender associated.
For example, in Portuguese, the noun for "chair", cadeira, is female; the noun for "pencil", lápis, is male (makes sense!); the noun for "computer", computador, is male; the noun for "god", deus, is also male.
The female version is "goddess", deusa.

As for the god of the bible, it (see what I did there?) is always referred to using the male noun, capitalized. Nonetheless, it is defined/presented as an asexual being.

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GO back to the title of the thread
"Why god is NOT a girl"

IF the word "he" is being used as a matter of speech or figuratively - it is meaningless in the discussion. It is NOT the word "he" that is the subject of the thread - the subject of the thread is whether the god is "MALE"

In that context - there is NO place in either book that shows the need for "god" to have male or female characteristics. There is only one god in both books as claimed (THE trinity being nonsense and is not claimed in either of the books). THere are no "female" gods for a male god to be counterpoint to.

If you believe the nonsense that there is a son of god that is the same god as the father - then there still remains no basis for conception via a female god.

THe god of the bible and the god of the koran are both NEUTER - and using "it" to describe them is appropriate

yes.... hence my last sentence: god is defined as an asexual being. And if it doesn't exist, then it is even more asexual.
However, according to myth, the guy did make Mary pregnant.... sooooo... if Mary was female, then god would be male.
(We all know that's just a copy/paste of the hercules myth which was copy/paste of some other myth before [help me out here guys], so yeah, neuter non-existing god)