Gullibility - a key to heaven?

[kılıç_mehmet]

Are you honestly proposing here that we have to differ to peoples own opinions of their fantasies?

I'm simply saying that there is no real purpose behind doing so, other than the purpose of doing so, which is, to me, no purpose at all.

I can give you a place from which to judge the relative levels of ignorance in any given belief system, in fact you are standing in that place right now. That place is called factual reality.

I don't really know where this reality factor of yours come into play when it comes to religion though. Like for example, tell me how you're going to use this base as a standing point when judging, say an adherent of Christianity.
What facts are you going to use against a being that is said to be the creator of the facts that you so cherish? And the said genunine scripture of that creator?

You think that my criticisms of scripture arise from a conviction that there is no god?

I believe that any criticism of any religious scripture stem from disbelief in that scripture. In your case, you do not hold any belief in any scripture, but if you did believe in a specific scripture, it'd be the same, as you'd criticize it due to your belief in something else, or your total lack of belief in any religious material.

LOL, I think you've elevated the god question to a place far above it's importance in how I form my opinions.

Maybe it'd help if you'd tell me what kind of an importance it holds in how you form your opinions.

I certainly do not know what kind of a place the "god question" holds in how you form your opinions. Indeed, it's all about how much sense it makes to you.

Scripture is baseless, to me, when it attempts to coerce conformity by assertion.

Scripture does not coerce anything. You're free to believe in what you want to. But obviously, if you choose to believe in it, you have to maintain your position that whatever others view as "assertions" are simple and basic facts.

[Aroura]

How can you be completely sure that it's not all in your head?

I know absolutely that God is real and my savior, that's why a true relationship with Him over time gives me the knowledge of God. So you see I do know things you do not, why do you think I'm so persistent, it's not because I'm crazy.

This kind of statement is why Poe's Law exists.

[The Grand Nudger]

I'm simply saying that there is no real purpose behind doing so, other than the purpose of doing so, which is, to me, no purpose at all.

Curiosity, disagreement, a desire to understand each other, a desire to understand the world around us or subject our own POV to scrutiny...I guess I can think of many more reasons than you can.

I don't really know where this reality factor of yours come into play when it comes to religion though. Like for example, tell me how you're going to use this base as a standing point when judging, say an adherent of Christianity.

Well, to be fair I'm as stumped as you on this one most of the time. Reality doesn't seem to factor in to christianity very often at all.

What facts are you going to use against a being that is said to be the creator of the facts that you so cherish? And the said genunine scripture of that creator?

Depends on the claim, care to take a crack at that?

I believe that any criticism of any religious scripture stem from disbelief in that scripture.

See where beliefs get you?

In your case, you do not hold any belief in any scripture,

correct, because by and large it is baseless assertion

but if you did believe in a specific scripture, it'd be the same, as you'd criticize it due to your belief in something else, or your total lack of belief in any religious material.

You're clearly referencing what someone else whom I do not know would do, you stopped talking about me at the beginning of this statement, didn't you?

Maybe it'd help if you'd tell me what kind of an importance it holds in how you form your opinions.

Sure, np, none.

I certainly do not know what kind of a place the "god question" holds in how you form your opinions. Indeed, it's all about how much sense it makes to you.

Oh, quite a few things make little sense to me and yet they are factually correct nevertheless. It just so happens in the case of the large majority of religious claims I've had the misfortune of enduring we have a situation where they are factually incorrect while simultaneously making no sense to me.

Scripture does not coerce anything. You're free to believe in what you want to.

under penalty of [insert boogeyman here] yes.

But obviously, if you choose to believe in it, you have to maintain your position that whatever others view as "assertions" are simple and basic facts.

Which no one has ever been able to do. Ergo attempted coercion by way of assertion.