Human Value Nonexistent?

[kılıç_mehmet]

Richard Dawkins’ assessment of human worth may be depressing, but why, on atheism, is he mistaken, when he says, “there is at bottom no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but pointless indifference. . . . We are machines for propagating DNA. . . . It is every living object’s sole reason for being”?

Richard Dawkins, River out of Eden: a Darwinian View of Life (New York: Basic Books, 1996), p. 133 and Richard Dawkins, “The Ultraviolet Garden,” Lecture 4 of 7 Royal Institution Christmas Lectures (1992)

He is right at one point. Every ideology, every school of thought, is, indeed, rooted with the desire of spreading one's DNA, furthermore making sure that it lives for ever. As a nationalist, I can confirm this. My purpose is to make sure that the DNA of my people is true to itself, pure, untainted, and propagates itself through reproduction, and produces individuals, strong in mind, heart, purpose and conviction, those who will labour hard for the next generations, so that they may live in relative prosperity and safety, and perhaps lord over others in terms of sheer power, bodily prowess, intellectual pursuits and everything else.
In truth, he does not see that "purpose of being" is the mother of all purposes in life, and is indeed, a very noble purpose, and not as "base" and primitive as I understood from the particular line you've quoted.

[The Grand Nudger]

To the ethnic supremecist, all things seem to circle back round to ethnic supremecy. Unsurprising.

[Welsh cake]

My purpose is to make sure that the DNA of my people is true to itself, pure, untainted, and propagates itself through reproduction, and produces individuals, strong in mind, heart, purpose and conviction, those who will labour hard for the next generations, so that they may live in relative prosperity and safety, and perhaps lord over others in terms of sheer power, bodily prowess, intellectual pursuits and everything else.

You'd all eventually be inbred if that were possible.

You should set your sights a little lower, think more realistically, like creating a utopia, or maybe ending world hunger forever?

[kılıç_mehmet]

You'd all eventually be inbred if that were possible.

You should set your sights a little lower, think more realistically, like creating a utopia, or maybe ending world hunger forever?

If we were a very small tribe of people, probably. But our numbers now reach over 200 millions of Turks worldwide, and it is our purpose to unite them all under a single banner and sublime purpose.
Ending world hunger is not really my problem to solve. I didn't create world hunger.

To the ethnic supremecist, all things seem to circle back round to ethnic supremecy. Unsurprising.

Indeed. But there is very little difference between me and anyone else here. Most people here are supremacists on some form of degree, mostly on an individual level.

[The Grand Nudger]

Human beings often have suspicions of others that arise from their own inner workings. I suppose that in this case it's a weak attempt at appealing to hypocrisy, weak in that the hypocrisy is merely asserted...not demonstrated. Ah well. It's true though, there is very little difference between you and I (which is what I keep trying to explain to you whenever you start in on this subject...brother.....lol) but what little difference there is or may be - would definitely fall under the header of this particular suspicion of yours.

[kılıç_mehmet]

Human beings often have suspicions of others that arise from their own inner workings. I suppose that in this case it's a weak attempt at appealing to hypocrisy, weak in that the hypocrisy is merely asserted...not demonstrated. Ah well. It's true though, there is very little difference between you and I (which is what I keep trying to explain to you whenever you start in on this subject...brother.....lol) but what little difference there is or may be - would definitely fall under the header of this particular suspicion of yours.

I'm not suspicious of anything nor anyone. Instead, I propagate trust.
I do the same for international community. It's not us who breed suspicion. Those of the opposing ideologies do.

[The Grand Nudger]

There's that mistrust of "the other" cropping up again. Again it appears to be an issue of projecting your own inner working onto others.

[kılıç_mehmet]

There's that mistrust of "the other" cropping up again. Again it appears to be an issue of projecting your own inner working onto others.

It's not "mistrusting the other", for they do not want our trust in the first place. This is why they try to create misrust with no real base, while they have demonstrated their lack of trustworthiness on multiple occasions, with word and deed. We on the other hand have only spoken of trust and harmony. Our inner workings are not shaped by our own thoughts or desires, but from a greater purpose that concerns all.

[The Grand Nudger]

[kılıç_mehmet]

And you try to mock me now?
Go ahead and put more of these smileys in your posts. It really serves no other purpose but to demonstrate the weakness of your arguments to me.