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RE: Human Value Nonexistent?
October 20, 2012 at 1:40 pm
(October 17, 2012 at 7:45 am)Reasonable_Jeff Wrote: Richard Dawkins’ assessment of human worth may be depressing, but why, on atheism, is he mistaken, when he says, “there is at bottom no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but pointless indifference. . . . We are machines for propagating DNA. . . . It is every living object’s sole reason for being”?
Richard Dawkins, River out of Eden: a Darwinian View of Life (New York: Basic Books, 1996), p. 133 and Richard Dawkins, “The Ultraviolet Garden,” Lecture 4 of 7 Royal Institution Christmas Lectures (1992)
He is right at one point. Every ideology, every school of thought, is, indeed, rooted with the desire of spreading one's DNA, furthermore making sure that it lives for ever. As a nationalist, I can confirm this. My purpose is to make sure that the DNA of my people is true to itself, pure, untainted, and propagates itself through reproduction, and produces individuals, strong in mind, heart, purpose and conviction, those who will labour hard for the next generations, so that they may live in relative prosperity and safety, and perhaps lord over others in terms of sheer power, bodily prowess, intellectual pursuits and everything else.
In truth, he does not see that "purpose of being" is the mother of all purposes in life, and is indeed, a very noble purpose, and not as "base" and primitive as I understood from the particular line you've quoted.
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October 20, 2012 at 2:02 pm
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To the ethnic supremecist, all things seem to circle back round to ethnic supremecy. Unsurprising.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Human Value Nonexistent?
October 20, 2012 at 2:04 pm
(October 20, 2012 at 1:40 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: My purpose is to make sure that the DNA of my people is true to itself, pure, untainted, and propagates itself through reproduction, and produces individuals, strong in mind, heart, purpose and conviction, those who will labour hard for the next generations, so that they may live in relative prosperity and safety, and perhaps lord over others in terms of sheer power, bodily prowess, intellectual pursuits and everything else. You'd all eventually be inbred if that were possible.
You should set your sights a little lower, think more realistically, like creating a utopia, or maybe ending world hunger forever?
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RE: Human Value Nonexistent?
October 20, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Quote:You'd all eventually be inbred if that were possible.
You should set your sights a little lower, think more realistically, like creating a utopia, or maybe ending world hunger forever?
If we were a very small tribe of people, probably. But our numbers now reach over 200 millions of Turks worldwide, and it is our purpose to unite them all under a single banner and sublime purpose.
Ending world hunger is not really my problem to solve. I didn't create world hunger.
Quote:To the ethnic supremecist, all things seem to circle back round to ethnic supremecy. Unsurprising.
Indeed. But there is very little difference between me and anyone else here. Most people here are supremacists on some form of degree, mostly on an individual level.
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RE: Human Value Nonexistent?
October 20, 2012 at 2:24 pm
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Human beings often have suspicions of others that arise from their own inner workings. I suppose that in this case it's a weak attempt at appealing to hypocrisy, weak in that the hypocrisy is merely asserted...not demonstrated. Ah well. It's true though, there is very little difference between you and I (which is what I keep trying to explain to you whenever you start in on this subject...brother.....lol) but what little difference there is or may be - would definitely fall under the header of this particular suspicion of yours.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Human Value Nonexistent?
October 20, 2012 at 2:28 pm
(October 20, 2012 at 2:24 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Human beings often have suspicions of others that arise from their own inner workings. I suppose that in this case it's a weak attempt at appealing to hypocrisy, weak in that the hypocrisy is merely asserted...not demonstrated. Ah well. It's true though, there is very little difference between you and I (which is what I keep trying to explain to you whenever you start in on this subject...brother.....lol) but what little difference there is or may be - would definitely fall under the header of this particular suspicion of yours.
I'm not suspicious of anything nor anyone. Instead, I propagate trust.
I do the same for international community. It's not us who breed suspicion. Those of the opposing ideologies do.
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RE: Human Value Nonexistent?
October 20, 2012 at 2:30 pm
There's that mistrust of "the other" cropping up again. Again it appears to be an issue of projecting your own inner working onto others.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Human Value Nonexistent?
October 20, 2012 at 2:35 pm
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(October 20, 2012 at 2:30 pm)Rhythm Wrote: There's that mistrust of "the other" cropping up again. Again it appears to be an issue of projecting your own inner working onto others. It's not "mistrusting the other", for they do not want our trust in the first place. This is why they try to create misrust with no real base, while they have demonstrated their lack of trustworthiness on multiple occasions, with word and deed. We on the other hand have only spoken of trust and harmony. Our inner workings are not shaped by our own thoughts or desires, but from a greater purpose that concerns all.
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RE: Human Value Nonexistent?
October 20, 2012 at 2:36 pm
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Human Value Nonexistent?
October 20, 2012 at 2:38 pm
(October 20, 2012 at 2:36 pm)Rhythm Wrote: 
And you try to mock me now?
Go ahead and put more of these smileys in your posts. It really serves no other purpose but to demonstrate the weakness of your arguments to me.
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